Hi Daniel, Yes, you're right that each situation has it's own requirements.
I like that you sent such a long and cogent email from your iPhone! Way to promote Apple technology. :-D Cheers, Carlo On 2011-02-04, at 19:33, Daniel Kerr wrote: > > Hi Carlo > > Yes, follow what you're saying. There was some benefits (or was it ease of > use) why I do that way,..can't think what it was the moment,.. :o) (I'm sure > it will come to me,..lol) :o) > Oh, one thing was that Netgear which is a brand I use quite a bit as they > have great warranty support (compared to some others I had horrible support > with) weren't the easiest to set up for Bridge mode. > Not the main reason though. > > Kind regards > Daniel > > Sent from my iPhone > > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel @ macwizardry . com . au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Macintosh** > > > > On 4/2/11 7:15 PM, "cm" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Daniel, >> >> The only reason I can see to go with that setup would be if you need the VOIP >> features of the router. If the router blows up, you are, in fact, retaining >> some configuration in the router that needs to be re-entered -- namely the >> DHCP configuration. I am not saying it won't work that way, or that it is not >> an option to set things up that way. Alternatively, having the border device >> configured as a bridge modem (no routing features turned on whatsoever) you >> have full configuration within the Apple part of the network, either the Time >> Capsule or the Airport Base Station. That means all configuration is done in >> one place by the Airport Utility and it is all Apple controlled. In this >> setup, the border modem only converts ADSL to ethernet -- a function provided >> by a cheap commodity modem. You thus use all the features of your expensive >> Time Capsule or Airport Base Station. >> >> Of course if you need VOIP telephone service it's a different matter. >> >> Cheers, >> Carlo >> >> On 2011-02-04, at 14:57, Daniel Kerr wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Just adding to some of this, and I like others am not a networking expert. I >>> know enough to "get by" ;) >>> >>> I find having the modem/router handing the internet connection and DHCP the >>> better option (This may be a personal opinion though). >>> The reason being, is that if the Airport is set up to do Bridge mode, then >>> all it's doing is just handing out the wireless (and printing, Time Capsule >>> disk etc if need be) and the modem does all the internet connection and >>> handing out of IP addresses. Also if you need to extend the network Apple to >>> Apple tends to work a lot better then <other brand> to Apple network >>> extensions. >>> Also, should the modem blow up or die or anything else happen to it, like >>> they like to do, then you can just replace the modem/router and not have to >>> reconfigure anything on the wireless. It just picks up the new settings. >>> >>> You then find all machines are on the same subnet group of IP Addresses, >>> unlike sometimes when a modem gets replaced and it's handing out different >>> IP addresses to the Wireless. >>> >>> For example, I use a 4port Netgear ADSL modem, running to an Airport Time >>> Capsule 1TB and an 8port Gigabit Router. >>> All the devices connected to it, either via Ethernet or Wireless are all >>> handed out IP address in the range 192.168.0.x (From 2 to 255). >>> Should the modem die, I just simply reconfigure it with my ADSL details, >>> plug it in and everything carries on working. I don't even need to ever >>> touch the Airport. >>> >>> Not say other ways are good (or maybe even better), I just find this works >>> in most situations and works well. >>> >>> VoIP should also work over this configuration. Well, it did the last time I >>> used it. I have an Ethernet VoIP that I used to plug in use, and it ran >>> straight off the above network with no problems. >>> >>> This would be the same as what Neil is using as he's mentioned I believe. >>> >>> In Philips case, I would think the above *should* work. >>> Even if the NextG modem/router/thing has wireless, I would "ignore" it and >>> still leave it handing out what ever DHCP / IP addresses it's doing. >>> Leave the wireless to the Apple Airport gear and have it set to Bridge mode, >>> so it's letting the NextG modem "do all the work". >>> Or I think this was Option B in Ronni's post. >>> >>> (Apologies for my skim reading of the thread, car issues been taking my mind >>> for a bit,..) >>> >>> Just thought I'd add my 2cents worth also. >>> >>> Hope that it's not more confusing. >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> On 4/2/11 2:35 PM, "cm" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Neil, >>>> >>>> I am just heading out so I cannot respond at length now. I am not a network >>>> person either so I could be wrong, but it sounds to me as though your >>>> border >>>> modem is not in bridge mode. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would >>>> handle DHCP etc. in bridge mode. >>>> >>>> I'll be off-line for the afternoon but back at it tonight. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Carlo >>>> >>>> On 2011-02-04, at 14:11, Neil Houghton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all concerned ( Carlo, Phillip, Ronni, Gillian), >>>>> >>>>> I’m no networking guru – so apologies if I confuse the issue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just had an observation re VOIP/bridging: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My border modem is a Billion VOIP modem/router – it is setup to handle >>>>> VOIP >>>>> (internode nodephone) and I also have an old imac next to the router >>>>> connected directly to one of the ethernet ports. My other iMacs are at the >>>>> other ends of the house, wirelessly connected. >>>>> >>>>> Although the Billion does have wireless capability, it is quite old and I >>>>> could not get it to successfully talk to the macs in a secure mode (OK >>>>> with >>>>> security off – turn on security couldn’t connect) - this was covered in a >>>>> few >>>>> forums and I could have probably worked around it with some firmware >>>>> updates >>>>> and reconfiguration of the router – however, I decided to just switch off >>>>> wireless on the Billion and use an Apple wireless network. >>>>> >>>>> I already had an Airport Express and found that it met my needs without >>>>> needing to buy an Airport Extreme Base station (the Airport Express is >>>>> just >>>>> connected directly to another Ethernet port on the Billion) - of course, >>>>> Phillip already has the base stations so he is already covered . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The point is that following list advice (thanks Daniel!!) I switched the >>>>> Airport Express to bridged mode and now: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The VOIP works just fine >>>>> The secure wireless network is just apple (the airport express, in bridged >>>>> mode) >>>>> The billion handles all the DHCP for both the wired and wireless >>>>> connections >>>>> (so the iMac plugged into the billion and the wirelessly connected iMacs >>>>> are >>>>> all essentially on the same network) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realise that my setup is not directly comparable to Phillip’s – I just >>>>> wanted to point out that VOIP can work in conjunction with a bridged Apple >>>>> wireless system. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Neil >>>>> -- >>>>> Neil R. Houghton >>>>> Albany, Western Australia >>>>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> on 4/2/11 12:14 PM, cm at [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all concerned (Phillip, Ronni, Gillian), >>>>>> >>>>>> I was planning to respond with what Gillian put forward as her option >>>>>> one. >>>>>> It is what I do for my own network at home and a few others that I have >>>>>> configured. Thanks Gillian for clearly spelling out the configuration >>>>>> details of this setup. To add my two cents worth, here is what I see as >>>>>> the >>>>>> pros and cons of this configuration. (For simplicity I will call the >>>>>> Telstra >>>>>> router the border router or modem. This is the common terminology for the >>>>>> device at the border between your internal network and the external >>>>>> network). >>>>>> >>>>>> Pros >>>>>> * the border router can be very simple. It does not require wireless and >>>>>> it >>>>>> only needs one port. It can usually be a very cheap commodity ASDL modem. >>>>>> This does not apply in your case as you already have the router. >>>>>> * You will be using your Airport or Time Capsule to control your network. >>>>>> You can thus take advantage of the wonderful Airport configuration >>>>>> utility >>>>>> to control all aspects of your setup. If you change ISP again, there is >>>>>> not >>>>>> need to learn a different configuration utility for the new service >>>>>> provider. You just continue to use Airport with all the settings in tact. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cons >>>>>> * If you are planning to use a VOIP feature of the border modem you >>>>>> cannot >>>>>> use this configuration. My experience is that VOIP will not work >>>>>> simultaneously with bridge mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Incidentally, with the router models that I have seen, it is still >>>>>> possible >>>>>> to manage a router that is in bridge mode. Seeing it has no external IP >>>>>> address, one must plug a notebook computer directly into the router via >>>>>> an >>>>>> ethernet cable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Carlo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-02-04, at 10:26, Gillian Affleck wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Philip and Ronni, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking doing one of the following should work, although I'm not >>>>>>> familiar with the Airport Base stations, or the Telstra 3G21WB NEXT G >>>>>>> Router. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Same as your option 'B' Ronni (to connect the main Airport Base >>>>>>> station >>>>>>> to the Telstra 3G21WB NEXT G Router) via ethernet. >>>>>>> It would be a matter of configuring the Telstra 3G21WB to be in 'bridge' >>>>>>> mode so it is not a router but a bridge. We've done this on Billion and >>>>>>> Linksys modem/routers so it should be possible with the Telstra >>>>>>> 3G21WB modem/router. If its 'bridge' mode doesn't automatically turn off >>>>>>> its wireless mode (2.4Ghz or 5GHz), I'd turn it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Replace the Main Airport Base station with the Telstra 3G21WB, and >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>> the Airport Base station in the cottage. These two can then talk to each >>>>>>> other wirelessly as the 2 Aiport Base stations did. >>>>>>> How (and whether) this works depends upon how you were using the >>>>>>> simultaneous dual bands. I haven't found much information on the Telstra >>>>>>> 3G21WB but I doubt that it is simultaneous dual band. It will either be >>>>>>> 2.4GH or 5Ghz.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Either of these options should allow the printer to stay in the cottage >>>>>>> and still be wireless, and Philip need only connect to one network from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Macs. >>>>>>> I suspect the first option will be easier to set up. One thing to >>>>>>> remember >>>>>>> when configuring this option is that once you've put the Telstra 3G21WB >>>>>>> into 'bridge' mode, if you need to get back into its web-based GUI to >>>>>>> reconfigure it, you will probably need to do a reset to factory >>>>>>> settings, >>>>>>> because as a bridge it doesn't have an IP address of its own to connect >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> for configuration purposes. So it is a good idea to write down any >>>>>>> non-factory settings you change (which shouldn't be many because a >>>>>>> bridge >>>>>>> doesn't have to know much ;-) ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this is of some help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> Gillian. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> Daniel Kerr >>> MacWizardry >>> >>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>> Email: <daniel @ macwizardry . com . au> >>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>> >>> >>> **For everything Macintosh** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > > > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]>
