Yes, you're right. I got the wrong terminology for the warranties. You can thank me later for pointing you to the last of the 17" MacBook Pro in stock. :-)
Regards, Carlo On 15/06/2012, at 10:08 , Daniel Kerr wrote: > Hi Carlo > > Not meaning to be pedantic, or sound like I"m being rude,… > but I think you mean "full Apple warranty". (i.e. 12 months hardware warranty > and 90 days Apple phone support). > "AppleCare" warranty is the extended warranty that is 3 years hardware and > phone support. > (Which you can still purchase on the refurb units as well,..) > > Just wanted to clarify that just incase. :o) > > Kind regards > Daniel > > Sent from my iPhone 4s > > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Apple** > > On 15/06/2012, at 9:59 AM, cm wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> If you still want a 17" MacBook Pro they appear to be available still as >> refurbished models. They come with the full AppleCare warranty. >> >> http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC723 >> >> Regards, >> Carlo >> >> On 14/06/2012, at 22:09 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >> >>> Hi Ronni >>> >>> Yes, knew you wouldn't be a very happy vegemite. (Could double tell seeing >>> as you posted the same link from my message as well :oP) LOL. (Sorry, >>> couldn't resist,…must be that lack of sleep from storms and no food or >>> coffee) :oP >>> I think there are quite a few "let down" MacBook Pro 17" owners, who are >>> having to look at the 15" MBP-RD. Or a 15" with an external screen,…which >>> doesn't always work for every environment. One of my clients only works >>> with her laptop on the kitchen table then puts it away when people come >>> over. So looking at a 15" with external screen isn't really an option as >>> it's too much to lug around to put it away. So a downgrade from 17" to 15" >>> isn't her most favourite option either. >>> >>> And not many places have the just superseded 17" left in Perth. >>> (Wholesalers didn't, Joondalup didn't, MaxStyle didn't,..bar the previous >>> model ex demo). Stocks were pretty much out before it was discontinued,…) >>> >>> So yeh,..can understand where you're coming from. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Daniel >>> --- >>> Daniel Kerr >>> MacWizardry >>> >>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>> >>> >>> **For everything Apple** >>> >>> On 14/06/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Daniel, >>>> >>>> I am so disappointed that Apple are discontinuing the 17" MacBook Pro. I >>>> have been waiting for an upgrade to be announced. >>>> Dropping support for their top of the range, two highest professional >>>> Computers, the Mac Pro & 17" MacBook Pro. Purely because they don't sell >>>> as many as other models! >>>> >>>> Apple are now catering for the multi media, social media customers, not >>>> the professional users. >>>> I have always updated every one of laptops; 17" PowerBook, 17" MacBook Pro >>>> to latest models when released. Now Apple want to force me to use a 15" >>>> MacBook Pro... When I want the extra size screen ... A 17" screen! >>>> >>>> Ronni is NOT a Happy Little Vegemite :( >>>> >>>> Some interesting reviews at AnandTech. >>>> >>>> MacBook Pro Retina Display Analysis >>>> >>>> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/macbook-pro-retina-display-analysis> >>>> >>>> Windows 8 on the Retina Display MacBook Pro >>>> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/6008/windows-8-on-the-retina-display-macbook-pro> >>>> >>>> Hard to say, Cheers Ronni >>>> >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad >>>> >>>> On 13/06/2012, at 9:52 PM, Daniel Kerr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Carlo >>>>> >>>>> Though I agree with you on the screen, and I'm not arguing that point >>>>> that it's a great machine,.. (not matter how many times you quote that >>>>> comment) :oP my "concern" (and I use that term lightly,..more of a query >>>>> perhaps),..is how the screen will handle "upsizing" or scaling or >>>>> whatever it's called of non Retina written software. >>>>> >>>>> The last three paragraphs of this article are a bit of what I'm thinking… >>>>> <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/130819-analyzing-the-macbook-pro-with-retina-display/2> >>>>> >>>>> Because I know what "doubling" on the iPad is like for non native Apps. >>>>> It can look chunky and clunky and "messy". Also, how small does >>>>> everything when it's running at "really big resolution". >>>>> I work with a CTO 15" Antiglare HiRes Screen as it is with my MacBookPro >>>>> and yes, I enjoy the extra space that it gives when compared to the >>>>> "normal" non HiRes screen, but at what point does the font size become >>>>> too small that it's difficult to read. >>>>> And with the upscaling of non "Retina-aware" applications what do the >>>>> fonts and text look like,..or will look like. I know it will be fine for >>>>> the Apple Apps as they have been re-written to work with it. But other >>>>> apps (such as Filemaker), which (I think) isn't written for it (haven't >>>>> played with version 12, so can't comment fully), but those sort of things >>>>> are ones that just interest me to see how it does it. That's just one of >>>>> the "issues" I'm still not up with. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, I'm probably not explaining this very well. >>>>> I think this page sort of helps what I'm trying to explain. Where they >>>>> show Google Chrome working against Safari on a MBP-RD >>>>> <http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/macbook-pro-retina-display-analysis> >>>>> (About half way down the page under "Application Support for Retina >>>>> Display". >>>>> I don't actually use Google Chrome myself, I use Safari, but I'm just >>>>> using this as an example. >>>>> >>>>> I know I probably won't get an idea on this, until I've seen one of the >>>>> laptops in the "flesh" and have a play with it to see how it handles it >>>>> all. And then see how it compares with the standard range. >>>>> (Of which if I did go for the standard MacBookPro, then I'd still get the >>>>> CTO option of the Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen - as it's only $120. As >>>>> that runs at a native resolution of 1680 x 1050 versus 1440x900 for the >>>>> normal screen). >>>>> >>>>> And yes, like you, the old "it's a brand new model, before of version1.0 >>>>> things is always a bit of a concern too. I'm sure Apple test that thing >>>>> to all it's limits, but sometimes just waiting to the second revision of >>>>> a product lets them "iron out" any other "bugs" (or features depending >>>>> how you look at it,…lol) once it's released into the wild. :o) >>>>> It was like that with the PowerBook G4. The last PowerBook G4 (1.67GHz) >>>>> they released was the best well built feature set laptop they made (at >>>>> the time). Because by that time they had ironed out everything that was >>>>> missing and improved on to get it perfect. :) (I suppose a bit like OSX >>>>> 10.0 compared with others really,…lol). >>>>> >>>>> Anyway,..I'm rambling again. I don't think I can really decide/comment >>>>> much further until there are some *real* real world tests, or I've >>>>> actually had time to see or play with it to see what it's really like. >>>>> (And it may be one of those things. Once you see it and get your hands on >>>>> it, you decide any of the "issues" really aren't "issues".) Either that >>>>> or I'll stay with the "standard looking" MacBookPro for this year, til >>>>> the next update comes out,….lol :o) >>>>> Hopefully they'll have one in the AppleStore in town to look at when I go >>>>> in to get my wifes dead iPhone looked at. It's just dead. Nothing will >>>>> revive it. Bit strange for an 18mth old iPhone 4. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy! >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> Daniel >>>>> --- >>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>> MacWizardry >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>> >>>>> On 13/06/2012, at 11:19 AM, cm wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> With all that you said I still see no advantage in the old model. >>>>>> Whatever you need to do, the new model will do it (only quicker). The >>>>>> new Retina MBP is truly a technical marvel. To quote again "it is the >>>>>> best computer Apple has ever produced". >>>>>> >>>>>> Just the display is worth the price of entry. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Some caveats. Because it is so new, I would probably wait a month or so >>>>>> to see if there are any problems with the graphics card or the circuitry >>>>>> to iron out. Highly unlikely with Apple's testing and Tim Cook wanting >>>>>> to appear competent but it is still a possibility. It did occur to me >>>>>> also that one may not be able to expand the new MBP as in the case of >>>>>> the MacBook Air but I am not sure that will be the case. For the MacBook >>>>>> Air they have that restriction in place because of the nature of the >>>>>> case -- it give advantages in strength and makes it more watertight. If >>>>>> that were the case with the new Retina MBP I would be tempted to buy the >>>>>> highest spec one I could afford from the get go. True you would not be >>>>>> able to upgrade it, but as a trade off the unit would be stronger -- >>>>>> time will tell on this point. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Carlo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13/06/2012, at 10:39 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Carlo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, had all those points. >>>>>>> Just to add to yours those. I don't "really" have to lose the Optical >>>>>>> drive if I fit an SSD drive. I already have an SSD drive in this >>>>>>> laptop. (I removed my 750GB 7200rpm drive and put in a Series6 SSD >>>>>>> 256GB Drive. So I still get to keep my Optical drive and have the speed >>>>>>> performance of the SSD. So I could do the same with the new one. Just >>>>>>> swap over the drive.) I then get both SSD and Optical still :o) >>>>>>> Yes, do have to carry run lots of cables. I was doing all that before >>>>>>> anyway. Plus I always have in my pocket a Firewire800/400 adapter. It >>>>>>> just clips to the end of a FW400 cable. So even if I have no cables, I >>>>>>> still have the adapter. Plus it's lighter. Mind you my pocket carries 2 >>>>>>> flash drives, that adapter and a pocket knife,…lol. >>>>>>> And I already carry three external drives as well (2 Firewire/USB >>>>>>> multiport drives and 1 USB bootable drive). They have a stack of what I >>>>>>> need on them. So I can keep my SSD pretty lean anyway. I actually only >>>>>>> run on about 100GB at most on the SSD. So plenty of room to work with. >>>>>>> :o) >>>>>>> I think the ports work out about the same kinda. Cause if you had the >>>>>>> MBP-RD and needed to be on Ethernet, using Firewire then you're out of >>>>>>> pots on the MBP-RD but you still have the Thunderbolt free on the >>>>>>> "standard" MBP. :o) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The top MBP and entry level MBP-RD work out the same price (RRP $2499), >>>>>>> so I was basing it on that. But yes, as you add more RAM and drives >>>>>>> versus adapters, then the pricing changes quite a bit. So the old MBP >>>>>>> would work out more expensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But yes, there are lots of good reasons for both. It just comes down to >>>>>>> what the person wants to do with it. >>>>>>> It's a bit like the argument to go with a 256GB SSD versus the 500GB >>>>>>> SSD. (Or flash drive). Is it with the $600 odd on various machines. Or >>>>>>> can you lean out what you store on the machine and keep an external USB >>>>>>> drive with you. (Or at home). Some will see the value that extra >>>>>>> storage space will be to have it internally and $600 will be fine. >>>>>>> Others will take the 256GB SSD and buy a 500GB USB drive (which is >>>>>>> about $100-$150 depending on brands etc). It's perception of value >>>>>>> versus useful versus budget. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was another thing with the new MBP-RD. You can't "add" to it if >>>>>>> you have. Budget restrictions mean you can buy a standard MBP and then >>>>>>> down the track add in more RAM later (take it from 8GB to 16GB) and as >>>>>>> pricing comes down take out the normal drive and add in an SSD of your >>>>>>> choice at a later date. I could be wrong, but I think you have to make >>>>>>> all those choices with the MBP-RD at the start as you can't modify it >>>>>>> later on. I haven't looked at that point with detail, so as mentioned >>>>>>> could be wrong, but was just something i had thought of last night >>>>>>> after my other post,..lol. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still though, I'm still un-decided on both,…lol. :o) I think they're >>>>>>> both great machines, I can just see some of the advantages/disadvatages >>>>>>> to both :o) And that may be the same for other people looking at both >>>>>>> machines as well. >>>>>>> Some will suit one person, some will suit others. That's the nature of >>>>>>> the beast. >>>>>>> But hey, if we had little choice and only had one, there would still be >>>>>>> lots to decide! lol ;)) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 11:57 PM, cm wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rarefied field of the computer service person is not for everyone. >>>>>>>> I also operate in the field and have a kit of accessories that I bring >>>>>>>> along, but I would point out that the older MBP is not that far ahead >>>>>>>> even for this purpose. The kit of accessories for either MBP still >>>>>>>> requires that you bring an assortment of cables, thumb-drive, and one >>>>>>>> or more external hard-drives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here are some points to note. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * If weight is your concern the Retina MBP starts out life a full half >>>>>>>> a kilo (one pound imperial) lighter than the older MBP! >>>>>>>> * The old MBP does not have that many extra ports. It has one fewer >>>>>>>> thunderbolt port and it lacks the HDMI port of the Retina MBP. The >>>>>>>> only extra ports are Firewire 800 and ethernet. These are available to >>>>>>>> the Retina MBP via thunderbolt adaptors. >>>>>>>> * A big advantage of flash drives over mechanical ones is that they >>>>>>>> are physically more robust and thus less prone to damage by rough >>>>>>>> handling or dropping. >>>>>>>> * Flash drives are, of course, much faster and boot up more quickly. >>>>>>>> * If, as you suggest, you fit an SSD drive in an old style MBP then >>>>>>>> you lose the optical drive. >>>>>>>> * Even with the Firewire 800 port you still have to remember to bring >>>>>>>> along the two styles of firewire cable if you want to be prepared for >>>>>>>> all contingencies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only real inarguable advantage of the old style MBP is that they >>>>>>>> are cheaper, but as the price of flash drives come down that advantage >>>>>>>> will likely evaporate too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Carlo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 23:00 , Daniel Kerr wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It comes down to your needs I feel. As Carlo's mentioned there are >>>>>>>>> good and bad to both of them. Again, it depends on your "primary" >>>>>>>>> usage. And what you don't mind "losing" to "gain". >>>>>>>>> Both the 15" MacBook Pro and the 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display >>>>>>>>> (MBP-RD) actually have the same Graphics card pretty much. (I'm >>>>>>>>> comparing both $2499 models). >>>>>>>>> They both use the Intel HD Graphics 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M >>>>>>>>> with 1GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching. So that >>>>>>>>> part is the same on both models. >>>>>>>>> And I would think the "standard" MacBook Pro 15" will still go to >>>>>>>>> 16GB RAM as well. >>>>>>>>> (I'm working on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" that Apple say can go >>>>>>>>> to 8GB RAM,..and I'm running it with 16GB PC10600 1333MHz RAM. And it >>>>>>>>> runs fine.) So I'd say people will find that can be bumped up as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "Standard" MacBook Pro has a slightly faster processor at 2.6GHz >>>>>>>>> versus 2.3GHz. But how much of a difference this is in real world >>>>>>>>> speeds, would depend on the task. >>>>>>>>> Certainly out of the box, I'd say the MBP-RD which has the Flash >>>>>>>>> Storage built in would make data access a lot faster. Whereas it >>>>>>>>> would cost $480 to add a 256MB SSD drive to the "standard" >>>>>>>>> MacBookPro. So data access would be a win there. (And I'm not to sure >>>>>>>>> how much of a difference Flash Storage versus SSD in "real world >>>>>>>>> tests" accounts for…that and my brain is in almost sleep mode to go >>>>>>>>> look it up,…lol). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And then it comes down to your connections you want to use. For some >>>>>>>>> people that are moving around a lot, and depending on the field >>>>>>>>> they're in, they still want "quick access" to things like Firewire, >>>>>>>>> Ethernet, Optical Drive. (yes, I know this doesn't affect everyone >>>>>>>>> and it comes down to their "use of the laptop", and that you can hang >>>>>>>>> off adapters of the MBP-RD, but at the end of the day, it's ease of >>>>>>>>> use and quick access. Do you want to carry around a Thunderbolt to >>>>>>>>> Firewire800 adapter, a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, a Thunderbolt >>>>>>>>> Optical Drive. Sure, not everyone has use for these things. But >>>>>>>>> again, in some circumstances some people do. On the read of various >>>>>>>>> forums a lot of mobile editors and tech support people do still want >>>>>>>>> these things. They (we?) carry enough stuff around in our bag without >>>>>>>>> adding to it. And if you leave it behind or it "drops off" during a >>>>>>>>> transfer, you've wasted time. (And time is money as they say,…lol). >>>>>>>>> "Oh sorry, I can't access your Firewire drive today, I left my >>>>>>>>> Thunderbolt to Firewire800 adapter with my last client. I'll have to >>>>>>>>> come back"). Again, this won't affect everyone,….I'll just trying to >>>>>>>>> point out both sides of the coin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I certainly don't think for some it will be an easy decision. I know >>>>>>>>> I've looked at which model I'd like. And I think I'll need to sit >>>>>>>>> down and weigh up the pros and cons of both. And what is it exactly I >>>>>>>>> want out of the laptop. What features are the "must have" and what >>>>>>>>> features are the "can work around or live with". Is the Retina >>>>>>>>> Display going to be "huge" in the type of work I do, versus the >>>>>>>>> (sometimes) need for "legacy items" in the type of work I do. (How >>>>>>>>> much more weight can my back support in all the extras I have to or >>>>>>>>> need to carry around,…lol). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think they're both great machines and the new >>>>>>>>> MBP-RD looks to be a great machine, and will only get better from >>>>>>>>> there I'm sure. But it's what tool is the best for the job….. >>>>>>>>> And one will suit some people, and not others. And vice versa. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope that info helps. That's my take or view point on it anyway. ;)) >>>>>>>>> And on that note, I think I'll go finish my last few emails for the >>>>>>>>> night and finish my 2.5 day straight stint of work,…lol. :o) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Enjoy! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kerr >>>>>>>>> MacWizardry >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>>>>>>>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>>>>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **For everything Apple** >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 10:26 PM, cm wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you're involved with content production with Final Cut Pro or >>>>>>>>>> Photoshop or if you do software development, the new 15" Retina >>>>>>>>>> Display MacBook Pro looks amazing. The stunning amount of processor >>>>>>>>>> power, the fast huge RAM capacity, the enormous flash drive, and the >>>>>>>>>> still long battery life given the retina display seem more >>>>>>>>>> reminiscent of a server than a thin light laptop. Also the discrete >>>>>>>>>> graphics card, apart from being a must for gamers (which I am not) >>>>>>>>>> will provide a bank of GPU processing power that is being utilized >>>>>>>>>> by more and more apps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I tend to agree with a line that I heard during the keynote, it is >>>>>>>>>> the best computer that Apple has ever produced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Carlo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS: they also finally said goodbye to the primitive, large buggy >>>>>>>>>> pieces of foil coated plastic known as DVDs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 21:14, Pedro <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Blitto >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The new MacBook Air will be my choice. This article may help >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cultofmac.com/172812/should-you-get-the-new-macbook-pro-probably-not-heres-why/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pedro >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/06/2012, at 8:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi GuysAll of you who were looking forward to the new macbook pros >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>> please do you have an opinion as to which one you would >>>>>>>>>>>> purchase?And >>>>>>>>>>>> why?tablitto >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
