Hi All, I'm quite happy with WAMUG as an acronym for the group, so, for those who want to emphasize the Apple connection, why not change the way WAMUG is interpreted? Just off the top of my head, say, the Westralian Apple Multidevice User Group? I'm sure others can improve on this......
David Noel 2012 Sep 15 ========== On 15 September 2012 10:00, Pete Smith <smudd...@internode.on.net> wrote: > G'day Daniel. > > No offence taken, nor even thought about. > > I enjoy reading your posts when you explain things. After all, you're the > wizard and I'm just happy cruising through at the lower levels. You know my > knowledge - when they mentioned a "couple of domains", I got all excited > thinking we going to crack a Domaine Chandon champagne or two - alas....... > > I missed your (below) post on Thursday. I was downloading the Apple Event > podcast when my iTunes told me of the update to 10.7 so I quickly posted it > to the list and didn't even see your one. Today's the first day back at the > computer. Well, mine, anyway, I'm sick of work's one. > > The Apple Event was good. iPhone 5 - you little beauty!!!! > > Cheers, > > Pete Smith > > On 13/09/2012, at 15:09 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: > >> I've ummmered and arrrred about replying to this, and whether to or not,…but >> well, obviously trom my post I am about to….. >> >> First off, this is not meant to in any way to cause offence, or be seen to >> be having a go, especially to you Pete and I apologise up front if it seems >> that way. I also apologise if it gets taken the wrong way as well,…as it's >> meant in the sincerest way. >> >> Though I understand that wanting to grab the domains before someone else >> did, this is a lot more difficult for .org.au's to do. Sure, if this was a >> .com then I'd tend to agree. >> A .com.au and .org.au hold a bit more weight to them when aiming to be >> purchased. A .com.au can only be purchased with an ABN and has to have some >> "close resemblance" to the Business Name or organisation. >> A.org.au can only be purchased by a non-profit of charity organisation. And >> normally those "parties" have to have a Certificate of Incorporation before >> they can purchase it. (And perhaps a constitution as well, I'm not 100% sure >> on that one). But it's certainly a lot harder for someone to sit on them for >> the sake of sitting on them,….if that makes sense. i fully understand about >> aiming to get them before someone else did and as long as a regulated >> business is used to check domain names the risk of this happening is a lot >> less (I've never been "overtaken" on checking a name for clients I've set >> them up for and looked up, but I always use a well known and trusted domain >> checker. And I can understand about worry about the use of a name in a >> public forum where it may get taken, but realistically I feel this is quite >> low for .org.au. The work involved to try and get it versus the reward from >> it would be almost negligible. (if possible as well). The AuDA is very >> strict on these sort of things, and even if someone did without the right >> "paper trail" I have a feeling it would be overwritten if the wrong party >> did it for that sole practice. >> A .com is a completely different story of course,…lol. You see those go for >> silly sums sometimes! lol. >> I know the cost is minimal, and I guess it's not like we had 4 or 5 to >> choose from,…lol :)) (or had been purchased,…lol). >> >> Again, Pete this is not to meant to seem like an attack on you or anything >> like that,.. I just really wanted to partially clarify that information for >> interests sake. (if people were looking at domains later, it's not "too >> scary"). ;o)) >> >> >> I, like others have mentioned, are a bit concerned at the AUWA acronym, as I >> feel it could be associated to do with UWA. That's why my first "thought" is >> when I see it, as others have mentioned to me as well. So we could get >> ourselves into some hot water with UWA as well. Hey, I could be wrong,..but >> that's my first thought with it as well. The same, as Ronni mentioned, with >> using Apple in the name. More so now that Apple are really pushing into >> everything themselves with the Apple branded stores, and everything >> associated with it. We certainly wouldn't want to get in trouble with them, >> or assumed that we're something to do with Apple direct. That's a whole lot >> of hot water to get into,…lol. >> So, I could see, like Vlad mentioned (which Shane bought up), if it was to >> be changed (at all) to be WA Apple Users Group. (WAAU or WAAUG - however >> you'd' pronounce them) it's less "in your face" Apple. >> Either way, whichever is used, WAMUG, AUWA, WAAU, WAAUG etc etc et), you'll >> always need to explain it. I think that goes without saying. Even if >> advertising WA Macintosh User Group, Apple Users WA, WA Apple Users, WA >> Apple Users Group,..etc etc it can be seen as "long",..or shorted to the >> acronym, which will still need to be explained. So either way, I don't think >> that's an "issue" (not a major one anyway I feel. Besides, any type of >> explanation for it gets the person involved in the "discussion". Hook, line >> and sinker? (lol, and I don't even fish!),..hehe). >> >> There were a couple of other points I had, but I think I've rambled enough…… >> >> I'd just like to finish again by saying, I apologise if anything is taken >> the wrong way. It's not meant to be, and hopefully those who know me >> understand I'm trying to "portray" all this. The last thing I would ever >> want to do is start a flame war, degrade or put down any person (or >> business, or group,…), I just like to add my 2cents. >> >> And as we, know (or can assume), something like this is going to be a semi >> emotional issue with such a history of information, wealth of knowledge and >> people and "group structure",..and name :) >> (Just seeing Mac's post come in, reminds me of John Currie with WAMUG and >> Panarama. I think it was Matt Healey that was over in the US one day and >> looking at a Panarama stall at a WWDC or something and got talking to one of >> the Panarama reps and they said, oh you'll know John Currie from WAMUG >> then,….lol.) >> >> Thanks for listening! :) >> >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5 (ok, not really, I changed that from 4s - I'm just >> getting ready) :o) >> >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >> >> >> **For everything Apple** >> >> On 12/09/2012, at 11:40 PM, Pete Smith <smudd...@internode.on.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ronni and all other WAMUGGERS. >>> >>> I'd just like to address two points from a personal perspective to put your >>> minds at ease. >>> >>> 1. Domain name. Knowing that the name change would invoke healthy public >>> debate on a public forum and also knowing that there are people out there >>> (not WAMUGGERS!!) who snap up possible domain names to hold out for >>> 'ransom', so to speak, a couple of domain names were snapped up by WAMUG >>> first. >>> >>> If the end result is that the membership vote to change the name, we >>> already have the domain secured. If the end result is that membership vote >>> to retain WAMUG, then the domain names will simply expire and not be >>> renewed. It was just a precautionary thing. >>> >>> Personally - please consider the change and vote for what you want. >>> >>> 2. Constitution. I don't know where the 28 days has come from. Our >>> constitution reads: >>> >>> "5.3 Notice of General Meetings >>> At least twenty one days notice of every Annual General Meeting or fourteen >>> days for every Special General Meeting shall be given to Members specifying >>> the place, the date and the hour of the Meeting and the general nature of >>> any special business, but the non-receipt of such notice by any Member >>> shall not invalidate the proceedings at any General Meeting." >>> >>> The Associations Incorporation Act 1987 allows us to set the time period as >>> we see fit as long it is actually in the Rules (Constitution) which it is. >>> Other bodies may have 28 days but we don't. As you see, it is 21 days for >>> the AGM and only 14 days for a Special General meeting. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Pete Smith >>> >>> On 12/09/2012, at 17:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>> >>>> OOPS ... I forgot another point I did hint at it my first post to the list. >>>> >>>> In the post from the Committee it was mentioned having to explain the >>>> WAMUG name. Isn't this sort of doing the right thing, as it's getting them >>>> "enquiring" about it. >>>> Once you've got them asking what it is, you then explain what WAMUG is, >>>> what it does (covering all Apple products) etc etc. >>>> >>>> You have then got them intrigued enough to enquire about it,.... so you've >>>> "got them",... then you can sell them on the idea to come and see, come to >>>> a meeting or join the Mailing List. >>>> >>>> Well that's it from me, all done, nothing more to say. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> On 12/09/2012, at 4:57 PM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>>> >>>>> Well, I have said "Hi WAMUGers" another time ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I've been giving some more thought to this and watching the list and >>>>> comments and pondering the following, which I haven't seen answered as >>>>> yet, so will re-post for interest sake, some of the queries raised so >>>>> far, as well as some points of interest I have. >>>>> >>>>> First off, I'm assuming that appleuserswa.org.au would be the new website >>>>> address. After doing a search of registered Domain Names, I noticed it >>>>> was registered already, which I then discovered was by WAMUG. Just >>>>> curious why this was registered when it has not been agreed on as yet? >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, Merv mentioned the other day that the Special Meeting requires >>>>> a 28 day notice, so may not fall in time for the 2nd October. I'm >>>>> assuming this would then need to be the November meeting to keep in line >>>>> with the constitution. >>>>> >>>>> The Committee mention a marketing push in the original post. Has a >>>>> marketing push been tried currently with WAMUG as it stands to date? >>>>> Couldn't this be tried as another (much easier) way to try and recruit >>>>> more members. Surely just advertising WAMUG - come along to learn all >>>>> about and gain extensive knowledge and help for all things Apple - >>>>> iPhone, iPad, AppleTV. New members welcome to the monthly meetings. Or >>>>> something along that theme? >>>>> >>>>> Any marketing material would still just refer to "the whole range of >>>>> Apple products and services" that you're trying to target. And those >>>>> older, longer (or lost) members who still remember WAMUG, it may be >>>>> enough of a "Refresh" to dig them out of the woodwork. >>>>> As mentioned in my first email, I still get a lot of people that email me >>>>> privately about how great a service is given by WAMUG. >>>>> >>>>> Which also brings out the question of costing? Has a budget or costing >>>>> been looked at for all this as yet? Or is that to follow the name change? >>>>> I know you have to spend money to make money as the saying goes, but we >>>>> (as WAMUG as a whole) obviously still need to cover the running costs of >>>>> the group I would imagine without "blowing out the budget". >>>>> Surely if we could try a marketing push without the added expensive of >>>>> all these changes first, would show if it's going to work or not? >>>>> >>>>> Another point that has been worrying me is... How does Apple itself feel >>>>> about this, given that it wasn't that long ago (3-4 years I think) that >>>>> they "took back" AppleCentre names from the Resellers. Are we (as WAMUG) >>>>> allowed now to use Apple Users? Or is that something they would take back >>>>> down the track as well? >>>>> >>>>> As everyone knows I am all for WAMUG, I believe in WAMUG's principles and >>>>> work and I try to do the very best I possibly can to help people on the >>>>> Mailing List. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> On 11/09/2012, at 9:39 AM, Ronda Brown <ro...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>>>> >>>>>> With sadness that will probably be the last time I use "Hi WAMUGers". >>>>>> I'm not against change but I am feeling sadness that the name WAMUG >>>>>> (Western Australian Macintosh Users' Group) will be no longer. >>>>>> A great reputation was built under that name, and I am honoured and >>>>>> proud to have been awarded a Honorary Life Membership of WAMUG. >>>>>> People from all over the world have contacted me congratulating us on >>>>>> the level of support we give on WAMUG Mailing List. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all >>>>>>> on first hearing >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't agree that WAMUG has to be explained TO ALL on first hearing, >>>>>> sure as any company/group name abbreviated to an acronym there are some >>>>>> people who you need to give an explanation. If "Apple Users WA" is >>>>>> abbreviated to AUWA you would be explaining to more people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Will the new website be "www.appleuserswa.org.au"? Will the email >>>>>> Address be appleuser...@appleuserswa.org.au? >>>>>> A new Constitution will also need to be prepared. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not wanting to sound negative about the change as change is >>>>>> normally for the best. Just one last point I would like to make is from >>>>>> what I understand the majority of Members are "Online Members"; members >>>>>> who for varying reasons can not/do not attend WAMUG Meetings and rely >>>>>> purely on the WAMUG Mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>> Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/09/2012, at 10:00 PM, wamug announce <annou...@wamug.org.au> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Muggers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As you know the WAMUG Committee is working hard to increase the >>>>>>> availability of our service to Apple users. A number of our recent >>>>>>> meetings have included well received hands on demonstrations in >>>>>>> addition to the traditional segment for problem solving and the sharing >>>>>>> of ideas. Though we are a vibrant and active group and have a >>>>>>> particularly responsive, helpful mail list, the Committee would like to >>>>>>> instigate a marketing push to increase meeting attendance, attract some >>>>>>> new members, and get involved in community outreach. A model that we >>>>>>> can aspire to is that of the dynamic Apple-Q in Queensland. ( >>>>>>> http://www.apple-q.org.au ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This marketing will include a revamping of the web-site, printing of >>>>>>> business cards, and advertising in local publications and on local >>>>>>> notice boards. Before the marketing initiative begins a name change >>>>>>> would greatly help with public recognition of what our group does. The >>>>>>> committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all >>>>>>> on first hearing, Apple Users WA obviously describes a group Apple >>>>>>> product users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We support the whole range of Apple products and services in addition >>>>>>> to the much loved, time honoured Mac. Newer products such as the iPod, >>>>>>> iPhone, iPad and Apple TV all contribute to the easily accessible Apple >>>>>>> ecosystem that we have come to rely upon. Rounding out the Apple >>>>>>> combined ecosystem are services that include iCloud, iTunes, iTunes U, >>>>>>> iTunes Match, the App Store, and the Mac App Store. It is now possible >>>>>>> to own and iPhone and an iPad, and with the use iCloud have an >>>>>>> extremely versatile and functional setup. Younger people in particular >>>>>>> are often in a position where they do not even know what a Mac is. Also >>>>>>> Windows users are often wooed into the Apple fold by the iPhone and >>>>>>> iPad, but may initially not know the benefits of converting to an iMac >>>>>>> or a MacBook. We would like to help these sections of the community as >>>>>>> well as those who make use of the full range of Apple products. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even though we long standing members are quite comfortable with, and >>>>>>> likely even quite attached to the WAMUG name, a name that better >>>>>>> reflects our activities and sounds more accessible will help us promote >>>>>>> the use of the Apple product range and provide a obvious support group >>>>>>> for the growing collection of new Apple users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So while aficionados principally do our work on a Mac, increasingly >>>>>>> certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple >>>>>>> products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name >>>>>>> to Apple Users WA to better reflect this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special >>>>>>> Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be >>>>>>> such a Special Meeting. An email with details will follow shortly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>> WAMUG Committee >>>>>>> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
