Mi Muggers, There a many interesting points below I would like to comment on. I am mired down in family issues and preparation for delivery of a UWA test tomorrow so haven't had a spare moment. I will post on the week end.
Regards, Carlo --- Carlo Margio Real World Computing mob: +61 404 296 965 [email protected] www.realworldcomputing.com.au On 12/09/2012, at 11:40 PM, Pete Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ronni and all other WAMUGGERS. > > I'd just like to address two points from a personal perspective to put your > minds at ease. > > 1. Domain name. Knowing that the name change would invoke healthy public > debate on a public forum and also knowing that there are people out there > (not WAMUGGERS!!) who snap up possible domain names to hold out for 'ransom', > so to speak, a couple of domain names were snapped up by WAMUG first. > > If the end result is that the membership vote to change the name, we already > have the domain secured. If the end result is that membership vote to retain > WAMUG, then the domain names will simply expire and not be renewed. It was > just a precautionary thing. > > Personally - please consider the change and vote for what you want. > > 2. Constitution. I don't know where the 28 days has come from. Our > constitution reads: > > "5.3 Notice of General Meetings > At least twenty one days notice of every Annual General Meeting or fourteen > days for every Special General Meeting shall be given to Members specifying > the place, the date and the hour of the Meeting and the general nature of any > special business, but the non-receipt of such notice by any Member shall not > invalidate the proceedings at any General Meeting." > > The Associations Incorporation Act 1987 allows us to set the time period as > we see fit as long it is actually in the Rules (Constitution) which it is. > Other bodies may have 28 days but we don't. As you see, it is 21 days for the > AGM and only 14 days for a Special General meeting. > > Regards, > > Pete Smith > > On 12/09/2012, at 17:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: > >> OOPS ... I forgot another point I did hint at it my first post to the list. >> >> In the post from the Committee it was mentioned having to explain the WAMUG >> name. Isn't this sort of doing the right thing, as it's getting them >> "enquiring" about it. >> Once you've got them asking what it is, you then explain what WAMUG is, what >> it does (covering all Apple products) etc etc. >> >> You have then got them intrigued enough to enquire about it,.... so you've >> "got them",... then you can sell them on the idea to come and see, come to a >> meeting or join the Mailing List. >> >> Well that's it from me, all done, nothing more to say. >> >> Cheers, >> Ronni >> >> On 12/09/2012, at 4:57 PM, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi WAMUGers, >>> >>> Well, I have said "Hi WAMUGers" another time ;-) >>> >>> I've been giving some more thought to this and watching the list and >>> comments and pondering the following, which I haven't seen answered as yet, >>> so will re-post for interest sake, some of the queries raised so far, as >>> well as some points of interest I have. >>> >>> First off, I'm assuming that appleuserswa.org.au would be the new website >>> address. After doing a search of registered Domain Names, I noticed it was >>> registered already, which I then discovered was by WAMUG. Just curious why >>> this was registered when it has not been agreed on as yet? >>> >>> Secondly, Merv mentioned the other day that the Special Meeting requires a >>> 28 day notice, so may not fall in time for the 2nd October. I'm assuming >>> this would then need to be the November meeting to keep in line with the >>> constitution. >>> >>> The Committee mention a marketing push in the original post. Has a >>> marketing push been tried currently with WAMUG as it stands to date? >>> Couldn't this be tried as another (much easier) way to try and recruit more >>> members. Surely just advertising WAMUG - come along to learn all about and >>> gain extensive knowledge and help for all things Apple - iPhone, iPad, >>> AppleTV. New members welcome to the monthly meetings. Or something along >>> that theme? >>> >>> Any marketing material would still just refer to "the whole range of Apple >>> products and services" that you're trying to target. And those older, >>> longer (or lost) members who still remember WAMUG, it may be enough of a >>> "Refresh" to dig them out of the woodwork. >>> As mentioned in my first email, I still get a lot of people that email me >>> privately about how great a service is given by WAMUG. >>> >>> Which also brings out the question of costing? Has a budget or costing been >>> looked at for all this as yet? Or is that to follow the name change? I know >>> you have to spend money to make money as the saying goes, but we (as WAMUG >>> as a whole) obviously still need to cover the running costs of the group I >>> would imagine without "blowing out the budget". >>> Surely if we could try a marketing push without the added expensive of all >>> these changes first, would show if it's going to work or not? >>> >>> Another point that has been worrying me is... How does Apple itself feel >>> about this, given that it wasn't that long ago (3-4 years I think) that >>> they "took back" AppleCentre names from the Resellers. Are we (as WAMUG) >>> allowed now to use Apple Users? Or is that something they would take back >>> down the track as well? >>> >>> As everyone knows I am all for WAMUG, I believe in WAMUG's principles and >>> work and I try to do the very best I possibly can to help people on the >>> Mailing List. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> >>> On 11/09/2012, at 9:39 AM, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi WAMUGers, >>>> >>>> With sadness that will probably be the last time I use "Hi WAMUGers". >>>> I'm not against change but I am feeling sadness that the name WAMUG >>>> (Western Australian Macintosh Users' Group) will be no longer. >>>> A great reputation was built under that name, and I am honoured and proud >>>> to have been awarded a Honorary Life Membership of WAMUG. >>>> People from all over the world have contacted me congratulating us on the >>>> level of support we give on WAMUG Mailing List. >>>> >>>>> The committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as >>>>> "Apple Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all >>>>> on first hearing >>>> >>>> I don't agree that WAMUG has to be explained TO ALL on first hearing, sure >>>> as any company/group name abbreviated to an acronym there are some people >>>> who you need to give an explanation. If "Apple Users WA" is abbreviated to >>>> AUWA you would be explaining to more people. >>>> >>>> Will the new website be "www.appleuserswa.org.au"? Will the email Address >>>> be [email protected]? >>>> A new Constitution will also need to be prepared. >>>> >>>> I am not wanting to sound negative about the change as change is normally >>>> for the best. Just one last point I would like to make is from what I >>>> understand the majority of Members are "Online Members"; members who for >>>> varying reasons can not/do not attend WAMUG Meetings and rely purely on >>>> the WAMUG Mailing list. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> On 10/09/2012, at 10:00 PM, wamug announce <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Muggers, >>>>> >>>>> As you know the WAMUG Committee is working hard to increase the >>>>> availability of our service to Apple users. A number of our recent >>>>> meetings have included well received hands on demonstrations in addition >>>>> to the traditional segment for problem solving and the sharing of ideas. >>>>> Though we are a vibrant and active group and have a particularly >>>>> responsive, helpful mail list, the Committee would like to instigate a >>>>> marketing push to increase meeting attendance, attract some new members, >>>>> and get involved in community outreach. A model that we can aspire to is >>>>> that of the dynamic Apple-Q in Queensland. ( http://www.apple-q.org.au ) >>>>> >>>>> This marketing will include a revamping of the web-site, printing of >>>>> business cards, and advertising in local publications and on local notice >>>>> boards. Before the marketing initiative begins a name change would >>>>> greatly help with public recognition of what our group does. The >>>>> committee proposes that our group of Apple enthusiasts be know as "Apple >>>>> Users WA". As opposed to WAMUG which has to be explained to all on first >>>>> hearing, Apple Users WA obviously describes a group Apple product users. >>>>> >>>>> We support the whole range of Apple products and services in addition to >>>>> the much loved, time honoured Mac. Newer products such as the iPod, >>>>> iPhone, iPad and Apple TV all contribute to the easily accessible Apple >>>>> ecosystem that we have come to rely upon. Rounding out the Apple combined >>>>> ecosystem are services that include iCloud, iTunes, iTunes U, iTunes >>>>> Match, the App Store, and the Mac App Store. It is now possible to own >>>>> and iPhone and an iPad, and with the use iCloud have an extremely >>>>> versatile and functional setup. Younger people in particular are often in >>>>> a position where they do not even know what a Mac is. Also Windows users >>>>> are often wooed into the Apple fold by the iPhone and iPad, but may >>>>> initially not know the benefits of converting to an iMac or a MacBook. We >>>>> would like to help these sections of the community as well as those who >>>>> make use of the full range of Apple products. >>>>> >>>>> Even though we long standing members are quite comfortable with, and >>>>> likely even quite attached to the WAMUG name, a name that better reflects >>>>> our activities and sounds more accessible will help us promote the use of >>>>> the Apple product range and provide a obvious support group for the >>>>> growing collection of new Apple users. >>>>> >>>>> So while aficionados principally do our work on a Mac, increasingly >>>>> certain specialised functions are better served by using newer Apple >>>>> products and services. The Committee proposes that we change the name to >>>>> Apple Users WA to better reflect this. >>>>> >>>>> This name change will require the passing of a motion at a Special >>>>> Meeting of WAMUG. We propose that the meeting of Tuesday 2 October be >>>>> such a Special Meeting. 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