Hi Neil Just a quick reply as finishing off some other work.
A few things I would run to test it. (sometimes I find Apple RAM test not all that helpful, whereas the following is very good). Just be aware it can take a really really long time to test it all, as it does a huge amount of tests to all the modules. (I’ve seen some take hours to complete - Rember - http://www.kelleycomputing.net/rember/ I’d also run the hard drives just to rule them out. For a good program I use Smart Disk Utility from here - (the demo is fine for a one off test). https://www.volitans-software.com/apps/smart-utility/ Could also be something “heating up” perhaps? So it runs for a while, until a part is heated up a bit more. (unlikely, but worth a check anyway). For older iMac’s that have had hard drives replaced this is a good program to help control the Fans a bit more then the Apple one - http://www.hddfancontrol.com But I’d be checking the RAM first would be my start. Hope something there helps. If I think of more, I’ll post back as well. 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It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be requested. > On 13 Mar 2019, at 8:52 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote: > > Hi Ronni, > > The problem is that all RAM modules show as OK both in System report and > Etrecheck (which says the performance is Excellent) and it seems that the > iMac thinks I have a fully functioning 24GB. > > It is obviously something that only shows up in the more heavy duty checks > that AHT uses. > > The problem is that the error message does not seem to indicate which module > is problematic - so I guess it is trial and error and repeated use of AHT? > > Thanks > > > Neil > > From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Ronni > Brown <ro...@mac.com> > Reply-To: <wamug@wamug.org.au> > Date: Wednesday, 13 March 2019 at 17:52 > To: <wamug@wamug.org.au> > Subject: Re: Strange iMac freezes > > Hi Neil, > > Yes that AHT does indicate Bad Ram. On your menu bar go to: Apple > About > This Mac > click on System Report... > then click on Memory in the Hardware > section. > > > There you should be able to see which 0xb740bf98 module has failed and which > slot it is installed in. > > Kind Regards, > Ronni > > Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB > > > On 13 Mar 2019, at 5:18 pm, Neil Houghton <n...@possumology.com> wrote: > >> OK - prior to running the combo update I thought I’d run a couple more tests: >> >> 1) I ran the Apple Hardware Test (AHT) in extended mode and it did report a >> problem (on pass 1): >> 4MEM/9/4000000 0xb740bf98 >> which I understand indicates a RAM problem. >> >> 2) I then ran Etrecheck which reported no problem except >> Last shutdown cause - 128- unknown >> However the time of this shutdown would match me hitting the shutdown button >> in Apple Hardware test - so not really a problem. >> >> So, my current thinking is: >> • AHT is finding a RAM problem >> • The RAM passes the normal bootup RAM check >> • Etrecheck shows all RAM modules check out OK >> • The problem could be a (few) bad sector(s) on one RAM module >> • Everything works fine until something tries to access the bad RAM >> sector(s) >> >> I guess I now need to isolate the bad RAM module. Given I have 24GB RAM in 4 >> modules then, assuming there is just one problem module, the iMac should >> continue to work fine on either 20GB or 16GB (depending on the size of the >> faulty RAM) while I get the bad RAM replaced. >> >> I may or may not need to run the combo update - depending on whether the >> various hard shutdowns have caused any corruptions problems. >> >> I will keep you informed on progress. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Neil >> >> From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Neil >> Houghton <n...@possumology.com> >> Reply-To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" <wamug@wamug.org.au> >> Date: Tuesday, 12 March 2019 at 17:20 >> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" <wamug@wamug.org.au> >> Subject: Re: Strange iMac freezes >> >> OK - further update - another freeze: >> >> This time only MS Outlook was running and I was previewing attachments to an >> email (using the Outlook preview all button when the spinning beachball >> appeared. >> At first I could see both Outlook and Finder using the command-tab switcher >> and checking the fast user switching drop-down menu worked OK - showing my >> user account logged in. >> >> Then more strangeness happened: >> • All my desktop items “disappeared” though the desktop picture was >> still visible (if this had happened at the last freeze when using Firefox I >> would not have noticed since the desktop was obscured by the 2 Firefox >> windows) >> • Command-tab now only showed Outlook and NOT Finder - as if Finder had >> somehow quit and not relaunched. >> • I normally have the dock hidden but the cursor revealed it normally - >> showing no dot under the finder to show it was running. >> • I clicked the finder icon in the dock (hoping to relaunch finder) and >> the desktop picture immediately disappeared leaving a black background. >> >> Currently: >> • Desktop is black but menubar and Outlook window are still showing. >> • Mousing over the hidden dock no longer reveals it. >> • The cursor shows the spinning beachball over the outlook window and >> menu items >> • The Outlook window can be moved but not resized >> • The cursor currently show the normal pointer over the right-hand >> Apple menu icons and the 1Password menu icon >> • The cursor shows the spinning beachball over the Onedrive and Dropbox >> menu icons >> • When the cursor is moused over the Malwarebytes menu icon it says >> “Background service is offline” >> • When the cursor is moved over the black desktop, it does not change >> state - ie it stays as ether the normal pointer or as the beachball >> depending what the state was just prior to moving onto the “black” >> >> Continuing: >> • With the cursor over the Spotlight icon, it changed to the beachball >> and then the icon disappeared. >> • Picking on an Apple menu icon to click - this time the wireless >> status icon - resulted in the cursor now showing the spinning ball over all >> the Apple menu icons >> • Clicking on the 1Password and Malwarebytes menu icons also resulted >> in the cursor changing to showing the spinning ball over these menu icons >> • This time the other Apple menu icons did not actually disappear from >> the menu bar. >> >> The problem has now occurred both with Outlook only running and with Firefox >> only running and It now seems to me that the problem is not with either app >> but with some basic OSX functionality at the finder/dock level (or the >> processes running these functions). >> >> I think Ronni’s suggestion for the combo update is my best bet at this point. >> >> I will report back with my progress - or lack thereof ;o) >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Neil >> >> >> >> >> From: <wamug.org.au-wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of Neil >> Houghton <n...@possumology.com> >> Reply-To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" <wamug@wamug.org.au> >> Date: Tuesday, 12 March 2019 at 16:02 >> To: "wamug@wamug.org.au" <wamug@wamug.org.au> >> Subject: Strange iMac freezes >> >> Writing this from the laptop as my iMac has started playing up with strange >> ‘freezes’ the likes of which I’ve never seen before – and I’ve had my share >> of crashes, freezes & hangs over the years!! >> >> First my setup/hardware – which has been “enhanced” since purchase: >> • 27” iMac 2.8GHz i7 - late 2009 - running OSX 10.11.6 >> • 24GB RAM - 2x8GB + 2x4GB >> • Internal Drive 1 - Mercury Electra 250GB SSD - boot drive containing >> OSX, applications and a bare “admin” user account >> • Internal Drive 2 - 3TB Toshiba partitioned as: >> · 1.5TB volume - containing main user folder plus other data folders >> · 1.0TB volume - currently empty (earmarked for media files) >> · 500GB volume - containing my previous SL boot volume >> >> This has all been working fine since the rebuild to replace the HDs and >> boost the RAM. >> >> I have been out of town for a couple of weeks but shut down the compute and >> UPS and removed the plugs from the wall - so no chance of “power glitches” >> while we were away. >> >> On return everything fired up OK (from memory) but pretty soon I had a >> freeze - I don’t remember the exact sequence but, pretty soon I ended up >> with just a black screen with a cursor. The cursor continued to respond to >> the mouse but I could not “wake up” anything else. Command option escape >> would not open a force quit window and I had no means of knowing if any apps >> were still running. All I could do was power down using the power button on >> the back of the iMac. >> >> All booted up OK but fairly soon I ran into problems - again I don’t >> remember the exact sequence but I do remember the desktop going black whilst >> some open window remained visible but soon I was back at the black screen & >> cursor. Again, all I could do was power down using the power button on the >> back of the iMac. At this point, I was worried that I might have some drive >> problem so I rebooted from my backup clone and used disk utility to run >> first aid on all drives/partitions. I ran top level on both internal drives >> and then volume level on all four volumes - in all cases the repair went >> fine with no issues noted. >> >> Back to booting normally and again all seemed fine - for awhile - until >> another freeze - I just remember I was using Outlook this time. >> >> Sometime (I don’t remember when) during all this I remember Acrobat reader >> opening - unprompted - a couple of times. The first time barely registered - >> I just quit it - the second time made me think “why did it do that?” I was >> also trying to research OSX black screen problems - I found plenty of >> references to this problem but generally associated with incomplete system >> updates and none with similar circumstances to mine. One common thread on a >> numbers of these threads seemed to be down to some login problem which made >> me go the user preference pane where I noticed two new Adobe items in the >> login items list - which, I guess could explain the unexpected opening of >> Adobe reader. I have now removed the Adobe items from the login items list >> but my freeze problems persist and so this was probably non-related. >> >> >> The latest freeze is now ongoing – around 1 hour and I know that only a >> switch-off at the power button will get me out of it. >> • In this case the only app open was Firefox with two multi-tab windows >> on screen and one multi-tab window minimised in the dock. It froze with the >> spinning beach ball cursor – which still tracks the mouse movements. >> • Command-tab would not cycle me back to Finder. >> • Option-Command-Escape would not bring up the force-quit menu. >> • Mousing the cursor over the menu bar showed the spinning ball over >> all the Firefox menu items but the normal pointer over the right-hand Apple >> & 3rd party menu items. >> • I have the “fast user switching” menu item on so I clicked my user >> name to open the drop-down switching menu (I wanted to check if this looked >> “normal”) however, at that point most of the Apple menu items disappeared >> from the menu-bar. The Spotlight icon was still showing but clicking that >> turned the pointer to the beachball and, after a moment, the Spotlight icon >> also disappeared. >> • At present, both Firefox windows are still showing and I can switch >> between windows by clicking each window – but not between tabs within the >> window. >> • The menu bar still shows the left-hand Apple icon but the beachball >> cursor when over it. The full Firefox menu also shows – but again with the >> beachball. >> • The Dropbox, 1Password, Malwarebytes and Onedrive menu icons are >> still showing – but now with the beachball (although originally the shoed >> the normal pointer cursor). >> • Screen sleep initiated normally and the screen awoke from sleep >> normally with a keyboard input. >> UPDATE: I have just shut down using the power button and rebooted and quit >> the only reopened app (Firefox) and, for the moment, all looks fine. For the >> moment, I will leave it running while I have lunch and see if runs into any >> problems just sitting quietly doing nothing (from a user perspective!) >> >> UPDATE: Well, it has been running fine for a couple of hours now (but doing >> nothing) including screen sleep and rewake and system sleep and rewake/login >> - so I guess I will go back to using it and see if I can find any sort off >> pattern to the problem. >> >> Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions gratefully received. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Neil >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - > Settings & Unsubscribe - > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
