Hi Neil and Daniel. Thanks again for assistance and guidance to clone the drive. I was able to Erase the 4TB drive and reformat to OS Journalled (on my Macbook where I have CCC installed). That worked so then I set up the cloning process which ran overnight and this morning when I checked, the job completed successfully. So now we just need to try and launch the Photos library on James's Macbook to prove it is all functioning, and see if he can drop other files onto the drive as well. I thought after I had set it off doing the cloning, I should have tried the First Aid on the drive to make sure no disk errors. Will try that today anyway, just so we know.
Thanks again for the bright idea to clone it! Kind Regards Peter Crisp ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To:"WAMUG" Cc: Sent:Tue, 7 Apr 2020 23:50:40 +0800 Subject:Re: Copying Photos library to new external drive Hi Neil Yes, I have used both in the past as well. However once I started running into drives with issues and I used CCC and found it keep going over errors,…that’s always now been my “go to” for Cloning. Much easier to run one pass, then to have to run one software - find it stops, then go on to the next one. So when doing a lot of clones or anything type of transfer with an issue, I tend to use that now. (As they old saying goes,…especially when time is money) :) Just my personal experience with it anyway,….. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone XS --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: Web: **For everything Apple** NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be requested. > On 7 Apr 2020, at 6:51 pm, Neil Houghton wrote: > > Hi Peter, Hi Daniel, > > Peter – I just use Image Capture to extract my photos from the phone/camera/whatever - then I don’t actually do too much to my photos other than file them using Finder! > > In the past, I had wondered about Adobe Lightroom – but I never got around to really investigating it. When I have had reason to do photo editing or image collation/processing I have used Photoshop Elements – which used to do all I wanted – however my version is no longer compatible with my latest OSX so, when I next need to do any image editing I will have a decision to make… > > Daniel – interesting to hear about the difference between CCC and SuperDuper when encountering problem files – I have only ever used SuperDuper and have been pretty happy with it – however the fact that CCC keeps going, past the problem file(s) does sound like a very useful feature – I will keep that in mind should the relevant circumstances arise! > > > Cheers > > > Neil > > From: on behalf of Peter Crisp > Reply-To: > Date: Tuesday, 07 April 2020 at 16:17 > To: > Subject: Re: Copying Photos library to new external drive > > Hi Daniel, thanks for that. Will see what we can do to repair any disk error. Given the previous disk failure (likely caused by the attempt to copy the Photos library to it) I am not positive about success in this. But I have CCC and hopeful that if I can rescue the disk firstly, then hopefully making a clone of the 1TB unit will be successful as it circumvents the 'Apple' factor per Neil's note below. > > Also a question for Neil - what Photo application do you use Neil? > > Will revert with findings. > > > > Kind Regards > > > Peter Crisp > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> [email protected] >> >> To: >> "WAMUG" >> Cc: >> >> Sent: >> Tue, 7 Apr 2020 15:21:13 +0800 >> Subject: >> Re: Copying Photos library to new external drive >> >> >> Hi Peter >> >> A -36 error is normally a disk error of some kind,…disk failing, bad sector on disk itself,….but generally yes a disk error. >> If cloning like Neil said, I would use Carbon Copy Cloner to do it - https://bombich.com >> It has the advantage that it will notice bad sectors or a fail disk and attempt to clone as much as it can. Generally I have found this to be better then some of the other cloning software. >> SuperDuper (another cloning software) always used to stop when it found a bad sector or disk, so wasn’t that helpful. Whereas Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) will advise you there’s a failure, but keep going. And then once it’s finished you can view the Log file it creates to show which actual files it couldn’t copy. Then you can see if they were “important” or not so important. >> >> Some else to just “consider” as well,…which I may have missed. In cases this like where you have an external photo library on an external drive, it’s always a good idea to have a second drive as well, and do a clone or backup of external disk1 to external disk2. That way you’re covering all bases should something go wrong. As then the photos are stored in more then one place. >> Time Machine will “generally’ only back up the internal drive, not the external library,….so if something did go wrong, you can run the risk of losing all the photos. >> >> Hope that helps. >> Kind regards >> Daniel >> --- >> Daniel Kerr >> MacWizardry >> >> Phone: 0414 795 960 >> Email: >> Web: >> >> >> **For everything Apple** >> >> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be requested. >> >> > On 7 Apr 2020, at 2:09 pm, Peter Crisp wrote: >> > >> > Great idea Neil, thanks for that thought! I presume I can just use CCC to do the cloning? I like how sometimes simple things are just that - simple and easy. Will see how we go with that. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kind Regards >> > >> > >> > Peter Crisp >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > [email protected] >> > >> > To: >> > >> > Cc: >> > >> > Sent: >> > Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:10:22 +0800 >> > Subject: >> > Re: Copying Photos library to new external drive >> > >> > >> > Hi Peter, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > First off, I do not use Apple’s photo app and I am still at El Capitan (the latest OSX THIS machine can run) – so all I can offer is a more general thought/approach – rather than hands-on experience with your problem. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The first thing I would probably do – just to be sure – is to check both the old drive & the new drive with Disk Utility and make sure that everything checks out OK – I have had cases where a failing drive seems to be OK but a check with disk utility shows problems. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Then, assuming that everything is OK with the existing 1TB drive, except that it is reaching full capacity, my approach would be to clone the existing external HD over to the new 4TB hard drive. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This approach should give you a new drive that is essentially identical to the old drive but, obviously, with an additional 3TB of space. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The main advantage of this is that you do not have to worry about how Apple organises all its files/folders/database – however it was done on the old drive will be the same on the new drive. This is the same level of duplication that lets you create a bootable clone of an existing OSX boot drive – something that you could never do just by copying files & folders. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > You might need to actually point the Photos app to its new library location or it might find it itself – as I say, I don’t use Photos myself – but I’m sure that you can confirm/check this. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > One of the main reasons why I don’t use Photos is that it is not obvious how Apple works its magic behind the scenes and I like to actually know where my photos are and feel free to organise/re-organise them as I see fit. As with Time machine I suspect that there are many different links pointing to the actual original files – with Time machine I am happy to trust the old Apple “it just works” (even though I have had instances where it didn’t – but that’s another story!) but with my photos I prefer to exercise my own control. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Anyway, I digress, you just want to get Photos working with the library on the new disk so, given that the old library is working OK, why not just try cloning the old drive to the new drive. I use SuperDuper for cloning and it should be a simple process. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > HTH >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Neil >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: on behalf of Peter Crisp >> > Reply-To: >> > Date: Tuesday, 07 April 2020 at 11:57 >> > To: >> > Subject: Copying Photos library to new external drive >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi folks, my son James has a Macbook (2011) running OS Sierra (latest OSX this machine can run). His Photos library (~90GB) is on his 1TB external drive (WD) currently and it opens and all things seem fine with it, but the drive is near full. He bought a new 4TB external drive (Seagate) and we tried the Apple discussion method of drag and drop the entire Photos library file over to the newly formatted (OSX Journalled) drive. It ran for quite some time (~24 hours) and then the next morning there was a (cannot copy, file error 36). Tried reformatting and again same error. Did some online searching of this error code and it seems a common error. Eventually after much trying, the drive became unreadable - would not mount on any of the Macbooks in the house. He returned it to seller who replaced it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > We now have the replacement 4TB drive where we reformatted again to OS Extend Journalled. This time we tried the copying process using the Show Package Contents of the source library and by individual folder copy over to the new root folder "Photo Library Copy" on the destination drive. Most of the folders within the package are System folders except for the folder called "Masters". The Masters folder contains an orderly number of subfolders hierarchically structured by Year>Month>Date of the import when an Import was done to the Photos database. His Photos library starts at year 2000 when iPhoto was the application in OSX and at the time when he did his OSX update, a migration process to Photos was run first open. But I digress. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > When copying over the Masters subfolders, it would go quite ok for many folders and eventually some files within folders would give error 36. A second attempt and sometimes they would copy successfully and others not so, so we would skip over these files. Once completing this copying process with forensic attention to folder "Get Info" on folder size and file count, we finished. Then checked all folders present as per the source Photos library (apart from those files not copied due to error 36). Attempted to launch the library and Photos opened and says Repair needed. Repair got to 5% then hung for a long while and then said "Cant repair". >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Tried a different tack then. Reformatted the drive again (Mac OS Jouranelled again) and attempted to Create New Photos library on the blank drive. Success. This opened. 4 options in how to bring photo images into library presented. Drag and drop from source was chosen. So with Finder tiled with the new Photos library, systematically dragged (at the image file level - not folder level) images over into the Photos panel. Tried one first, it worked. Then more. It was going very well, we got to 2007 year folder. Then error 36 again! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I had to quit for a while as busy doing Work From Home at the same time making it difficult. Ended up closing Photos and having a look at the package contents of the new library. Unsurprisingly all subfolders folders (from each drag/drop action) sitting within one Masters folder labelled "2020". Then the folder from the last drag drop when error occurred contained images up to the one before the image which had caused the error 36. I thought there may be a subfolder count limit and figured if I waited until today - the date increment would force the creation of a new level 2 subfolder and hence the count issue theory I had thought of would be either proven or not. So this morning we tried and having properly ejected the drive last night, this morning it wont mount! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I meant to also say that having reached a road block on the Photos library copying, the other purpose for James buying the 4TB drive was to hold a lot of his other data information (iTunes library eventually), downloaded movies etc. We tried to drag a movie file over - and that faulted too with the same error. It seems the problem is not limited to just Photos. I had previously checked that the Drive permissions were Read and Write so that seems ok. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I am a bit stuck right now. Sorry it's so wordy but without all the information, others may be thinking 'did you try this'... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I hope there are others out there whom have successfully circumvented this one... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Kind Regards >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Peter Crisp >> > >> > >> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - >> > >> > >> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> > Archives - >> > Guidelines - >> > Settings & Unsubscribe - >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - >> Guidelines - >> Settings & Unsubscribe - > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - > Guidelines - > Settings & Unsubscribe - -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe -
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