mana bisa wong ndak islami kok positip? hanya yang sesuai ayat yang positif benar, pokoknya yang berada di luar itu salah semua...kafir.
--- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "Ari Condro" <masar...@...> wrote: > > Ane emang keluarga nasionalis, kok. > > Keluarga bokap coblosnya pni, ikutnya ketika kuliah ya gmni. Makanya waktu ane kuliah, trus ikutan hmi dan sok ngaji di tarbiyah dan ikutan HT, budhe, bokap, tante pada heiiraan. :p. Tapi mereka nyantai aja tuh aku ikutan kegiatan apa saja. Sing penting positip. Ya toh ..... > > > > > salam, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "werkuwer" <mnug2...@...> > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:34:34 > To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Muslimah Feminists: 'Islam must not be used to discriminate against women' > > > ini jelas keluarga yg ndak islami. mana ada laki-laki mengerjakan > tugas-tugas domestik dalam ayat? > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, "Ari Condro" <masarcon@> > wrote: > > > > Kenapa sih bukan suaminya yg tugas cuci piring ? Ane yg bagian > cuci piring tuh di rumah. Ini warisan dari kebiasaan bokap. > > > > Ebes malah lebih ekstrim lagi, yg ngepel, cuci pakaian dan bikin > minum, yg ngerjain ebes sendiri. Padahal ebes ini tentara lho. Yg > identik dengan maskulin. > > > > Ane aja malu sama tingkat kerajinan bokap. > > > > > > salam, > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ayesharyzka_echa@ > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:38:08 > > To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Muslimah Feminists: 'Islam must > not be used to discriminate against women' > > > > > > Setuju sama mba lina... Bagi saya dalam rumah tangga yg penting > kerjasama dan kekompakan dalam menjadi membangun perekonomian > keluarga... Sebagai istri masa kini.. Udah wajar kalo kita membantu > suami dalam mencari nafkah... Selama kita tidak melupakan kodrat sbg > istri... so kenapa ribut ya kan...... > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung > Teruuusss...! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Lina Dahlan" <linadahlan@> > > > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:29:04 > > > To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Muslimah Feminists: 'Islam must not > be used to discriminate against women' > > > > > > > > > Jaman memang sudah berubah. Wanita tidak lagi menjadi penunggu dan > > > pengelola harta suami karena memang suami pada gak punya harta...:- > > > )). > > > > > > Jadi ingat pembicaraan pagi ini dengan seorang teman cowok. Ngalur > > > ngidul akhirnya bicara soal fitrah perempuan, yang menurut teman > > > saya itu adalah memasak, mencuci, etc yang "pekerjaan domestik". > > > Maksudnya temen saya sih baik, mo ngingetin saya agar saya enjoy > aja > > > menikmati pekerjaan2 domestik dirumah itu. > > > > > > Saya ktkan soal masak sekarang gampang, banyak bumbu yang > instan...:- > > > ). Cuma bukan itu masalahnya buat saya, saya males nyuci perabotan > > > bekas masaknya. Kayaknya kalo dirumah itu kerjaannya dikit2 > > > nyuci..dikit2 nyuci...:-). Jadi lebih praktis beli makanan jadi > > > diwarteg, resto or..dluar tuk dibawa pulang. Di rumah cuma masak > > > nasi pake Magic Com. > > > > > > Cuma teteb temen saya beranggapan lebih baik masak di rumah dan > saya > > > diminta tuk menerima fitrah sebagai perempuan. > > > > > > Gubrak! Mulai deh saya ini...pasang ancang2 dengan mulai > > > bertanya,"emangnya fitrah perempuan apaan and ngapain sih?". Trus > > > deh jadi rame ngobrolnya. > > > > > > Alhasil ujung2 pembicaraan temen saya bilang..."makanya nikah ama > > > laki2 tajir". Lalu saya jawab,"ya iya lah kalau semua mau > > > dikembalikan ke fitrah, memang sebaiknya wanita nikah dengan laki2 > > > tajir krn fitrah wanita adalah melayani suami saja dan fitrah laki > > > adalah menafkahkan istri dan anaknya". Masalahnya kan sekarang > laki2 > > > juga gak pada fitrahnya menjadi tajir, jadi jangan sok2an > > > mengembalikan fitrah perempuan yang masak, nyuci, etc itu.... > > > > > > He..he...temen saya diem aja. Jadi, saya tambahin,"coba deh cari > > > ayat dimana wanita harus nyuci, masak etc. Bahkan menyusui anakpun > > > gak harus kok?" Jadi, kalau ada wanita mau melakukan semua > pekerjaan > > > domestik itu, seharusnya para suami membayar mahal itu semua lho!. > > > Ini mah boro2 di bayar, disayang aja kagak! malah di kdrt in. > > > halaaah. Coba deh kamu kawini wanita arab sono, kalo gak die minta > > > maharnye yang aje gile. Mana mau maharnya perangkat sholat kayak > > > disini? karena mereka tau bhw mahar itu adalah hak or harta wanita > > > yang tidak bs diganggu gugat lagi oleh suami nantinya. Kalo perlu > > > minta rumah...:-)) > > > > > > He..he..temen saya jadi bingung. Sebetulnya saya sendiri gak tau > > > bener apa enggaknya di wanita arab kayak gitu. Cuma kadung sebel > ama > > > cowok yang bilang itu fitrah pere yg hrs diterima. Itu fitrah > > > pembokat...kaleee dan pembokat itu harus dibayar ama gaji suami. > Iye > > > gak? > > > > > > Akhirnya saya bilang,"dah deh gak usah ngomong fitrah2an soale > > > sebenernya fitrah menjadi laki2 itu berat kok! Sumpeh deh! Ntar > elo > > > takut lagi jadi laki2 sejati..." ha..ha..ha... > > > > > > wassalam, > > > > > > --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, Dwi Soegardi <soegardi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp? > > > file=/2009/2/14/nation/20090214155800&sec=nation > > > > > > > > Published: Saturday February 14, 2009 MYT 3:59:00 PM > > > > Updated: Saturday February 14, 2009 MYT 4:08:11 PM > > > > > > > > 'Islam must not be used to discriminate against women' > > > > By SHAHANAAZ HABIB > > > > > > > > > > > > KUALA LUMPUR: Muslim women activists championing equality and > > > justice > > > > in the Muslim family said they will no longer accept the use of > > > Islam > > > > to justify discrimination against women. > > > > > > > > Project director of Musawah (the global meeting for equality and > > > > justice in the Muslim Family) Zainah Anwar said that, very often, > > > > Muslim women who demand justice and want to change > discriminatory > > > laws > > > > and practices were told that this was 'God's law' and, > therefore, > > > not > > > > open for negotiation or change. > > > > > > > > She also said, often, reports were made against them to the > police, > > > > religious authorities to take action against them, to silence > them > > > and > > > > charge them for purportedly insulting Islam to have their group > > > > banned. > > > > > > > > "But we will not be silenced and intimidated. As activists, we > all > > > > know that in order to bring change, we must not be afraid to > speak > > > the > > > > truth as we see it, to be angry in the face of injustice, to take > > > > difficult positions and to be marginalised and condemned. > > > > > > > > "For many of us, it is an article of faith that Islam is just > and > > > God > > > > is just. If justice is intrinsic to Islam, then how can > injustice > > > and > > > > discrimination result from the codification and implementation > of > > > laws > > > > and policies made in the name of Islam. > > > > > > > > "This is the 21st century. And today, we once again assert there > > > > cannot be justice in this world, without equality," she said in > her > > > > opening speech on Saturday. > > > > > > > > The Musawah brings together 250 participants from 47 countries. > > > > > > > > Zainah believed it is possible to find equality and justice > within > > > the > > > > framework of Islam. > > > > > > > > She said it should not be left to the conservative forces to > define > > > > and dominate the parameters of what Islam was and what was not. > > > > > > > > She stressed that these conservative forces had prescribed laws > and > > > > policies that have kept women "shackled as second class Muslims > and > > > > citizens", so far, and that, as a Muslim, a woman and a citizen, > > > she > > > > was now claiming her right to speak up. > > > > > > > > At a press conference later, Zainah said people uncomfortable > with > > > the > > > > push for reform, often hurled accusations at them that they were > > > > "Westernised elites" to demonise and de-legitimise them from > > > speaking > > > > up. > > > > > > > > "We should be aware that these are strategies and not fall into > > > their > > > > trap. We know that even those who are against us - know in their > > > > hearts - the oppression, injustice and suffering that Muslim > women > > > > have to go through," she said. > > > > > > > > On objections raised by the Persatuan Ulamak Pulau Pinang and PAS > > > > Youth over the Musawah programme, Zainah said, she felt rather > > > sorry > > > > for them. > > > > > > > > "The world is about change. This is the galloping reality that is > > > > taking place in Malaysia," she said, adding that statistics > showed > > > > that 47% women in Malaysia were working and 60% to 70% of > students > > > at > > > > universities were women and women now wanted laws and practices > > > that > > > > recognised these realities in their lives today. > > > > > > > > She said that, now, there was an "incredible disconnect" between > > > laws > > > > and today's realities with regards to Muslim women. > > > > > > > > Zainah said the activists would be happy to sit down with the > > > ulamaks > > > > and other Muslim groups to discuss the evidence on the table and > > > the > > > > changing realities. > > > > > > > > "We believe a solution can be found within the Islamic framework > > > and > > > > within the Constitution. > > > > > > > > "There is a problem out there because men are being left behind > and > > > > men feel threatened about women in the public sphere and holding > > > > positions of power. > > > > > > > > "We will be happy to work with each other and understand each > > > other. > > > > Men have been privileged for so long. > > > > > > > > "Now, women are saying that they want to be treated as human > beings > > > > with equal worth and don't want to be discriminated against," she > > > > said. > > > > > > > > At the press conference, Asma' U Joda from Nigeria who is part > of > > > the > > > > Musawah working committee, said it was not an issue of > convincing > > > the > > > > men to allow women their rights." > > > > > > > > "It is an issue of the community and men are part of that > > > community. > > > > What we are demanding is going to happen," she said. > > > > > > > > The UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women, Prof Yakin > > > Ertuk, > > > > said the women's agenda should not be defined in terms of a > battle > > > of > > > > the sexes but rather should be seen as a battle against > oppression. > > > > > > > > "Men also fight against oppression so this is part of a common > > > > struggle," she added. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > ======================= > > Milis Wanita Muslimah > > Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun > masyarakat. > > Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com > > ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita- > muslimah/messages > > Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > > Berhenti mailto:wanita-muslimah-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:keluarga- sejaht...@yahoogroups.com > > Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:majelism...@yahoogroups.com > > > > This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any > attachment ....Yahoo! 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