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> Från: Al Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Datum: 2002/08/03 Sat AM 04:50:56 CEST
> Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ämne: RE: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > > Från: Al Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Datum: 2002/08/02 Fri PM 07:55:40 CEST
> > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Ämne: RE: {W&P} Sv: RE: Sv: RE: Sv: RE: Sv: Re: SV: Here's the text of
> > > the Skelton p
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> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > > >... As the biggest user and producer of greenhouse gases don't take
> > > >interrest for economic reasons they, or anybody else that really should
> > > >listen, see no reason.
> > > >
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> > > Oh, yeah, sure, sure -- the Red Chinese Commies would do the right thing
> > >
> > > if only the evil, stupid, greedy Americans would sign the Kyoto Treaty.
> > > It's all our fault. It would be a beautiful world if only US capitalism
> > > could be banished from the planet. You could all live in a socialist
> > > paradise. Like the USSR. Remember the USSR?
> > >
> >
> > Hello!!! MacCarty!!! It's 2002 now, and you are talking about communism?
> > I think you are brainwashed by the conservative propaganda. Try to think
> > for your self, please.
> >
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> Are you of the opinion that the Communists are not running China?
> Actually, in a way they're not. They are becoming somewhat more
> pragmatic and business-oriented over there. Socialism can't bring
> prosperity and the Chinese want to prosper.
>
> I lump all collectivists in the same category. There are a lot of
> socialists who want to turn the human race into a collectivist ant-heap
> in increments. Whether it's done in the impatient style of Che Guevara
> or the inch-by-inch style of Hillary Clinton, the end result is the loss
> of freedom and, sooner or later, an economic collapse from which there
> is no recovery as long as socialistic quackery is practiced.
>
I do say that you are not only lumping all in one category. You are seeing everything
in black and white. Everything that's not like in USA is suspect, is it not? The
conservative propaganda is quite effective as many in US are not interrested of
anything but US. The reference frames will naturally be limited. Everything to the
left og US is communism, right? Or socialism. It sounds better but it's really the
same, right? I don't understand how it's possible for US to work togeather with Tony
Blair! He's the leader of the english Social Democrats (in english: Labour).
Of course Social Democrats are socialists when americans read that name. It's really
Social as in Social Security and not Social as in Socialism, but for a brainwashed
conservative american it's far beyond his or her comprahension, right?
And this comparison of US with China or Zimbabwe or any other of the poorest part of
the world? Why not compare with other countrys in the developed world. Northern Europe
or what ever. In Sweden (in order to take a country that I'm familiar with) the Social
Democrats are at the moment in government (with support by the left and the
enviromentalists) but a few years ago they were not. That's why it's a demcratic
party. It has to get the peoples trust or else...
Since when was there a change in US? That no rightwingpartys depending of corporate
funds were in government? As far as I know: never! Any party not letting the corporate
Amerca rule the country get no funds there, right? The tax deductions to the
corporations tell their story. I think that US is a close to corporate dictatorship.
Open your eyes!
Claes
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