First a message to all. If some letters have bounced it's my fault. As I started to
use webb entrance to my mail instead of the "outlook way" I forgot to empty the basket
and all those letters in the basket were taking so much place that I'm afraid that
something might have bounced. Sorry. My fault.
More down:
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: {W&P} Sv: RE: Here's the text of the Skelton
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > I do say that you are not only lumping all in one category. You are
> > seeing everything in black and white. Everything that's not like in USA
> > is suspect, is it not? The conservative propaganda is quite effective as
> > many in US are not interrested of anything but US. The reference frames
> > will naturally be limited. Everything to the left og US is communism,
> > right? Or socialism. It sounds better but it's really the same, right? I
> > don't understand how it's possible for US to work togeather with Tony
> > Blair! He's the leader of the english Social Democrats (in english:
> > Labour).
> >
> > Of course Social Democrats are socialists when americans read that name.
> > It's really Social as in Social Security and not Social as in Socialism,
> > but for a brainwashed conservative american it's far beyond his or her
> > comprahension, right?
> >
> > And this comparison of US with China or Zimbabwe or any other of the
> > poorest part of the world? Why not compare with other countrys in the
> > developed world. Northern Europe or what ever. In Sweden (in order to
> > take a country that I'm familiar with) the Social Democrats are at the
> > moment in government (with support by the left and the enviromentalists)
> > but a few years ago they were not. That's why it's a demcratic party. It
> > has to get the peoples trust or else...
> >
> > Since when was there a change in US? That no rightwingpartys depending
> > of corporate funds were in government? As far as I know: never! Any
> > party not letting the corporate Amerca rule the country get no funds
> > there, right? The tax deductions to the corporations tell their story. I
> > think that US is a close to corporate dictatorship. Open your eyes!
> >
> >
> --------------------------
>
> I SEE all the shades of gray. But when the time comes to make choices > and take
>action I don't keep dithering back-and-forth like Hamlet about > what to do.
>Socialism is bad.
--All shades og gray? I suppose that you mean communism (that don't excist anymore,
thank heaven or something). Only the black conservative is OK?
> But I can cooperate with socialists if I > need them to help fight a greater, more
>immediate threat.
--However. Sweden is not a socialist country.
>
> I'm a pragmatist and a US nationalist. And proud of it.
--Just like I'm proud of beeing Swedish, of cource. We all stand up for our tribes,
right?
>
> Little boutique socialist countries that are tiny specks in a great
> ocean of thriving free enterprise capitalism can thrive and prosper as
> long as they use clever business practices when dealing with the
> capitalist world.
--Sweden has been a part of the global capitalism all the time, however we have taken
the liberty to decide for ourselves the way riches are going to be dealt with without
asking USA, thank you.
>Sweden is highyly socialized but Saab and Volvo are > healthy capitalistic
>enterprises in their business practices.
--Highly socialized? I think you mean communist? A usual american mixup that makes you
talk about the wrong thing. No way. You don't know what a highly socialized country is
unless you have visited eastern Europe before the wall (in Berlin, not Jerico) came
tumbling down. And you are contradicting yourself. Think again. Could SAAB and VOLVO
excisted and grown to global size in a communist country?
> (Europeans have had the use of a lot of their revenue for social
> programs for a long time. That's because their defense budgets have been
> small. US taxpayers have provided much of Europe's military defense for
> the last several decades.)
--Sweden have been neutral and have been taking care of it's own armament, thank you,
and compeeting in many branches with US in the teknological fields. Have you ever
heard of Bofors? SAAB? Ericsson? AGA? Pharmacia? Just to name a few.
>
> If the whole world went socialist the world economy would become very > stagnant and
>poor.
--If the whole world went capitalist like USA the world economy would become very
stagnant and all but a few countrys would become poor. Besides we soon would have to
pay for using our own genes as they were patented by some greedy american corporation.
There is in Sweden a word that has no translation into any other language. It's the
word "lagom". To give you an idea of what it means I could translate a saying of my
mother (rest her soul). "Too much or too little destroys everything". "Lagom" is best!
That goes for both capitalism and social consience. The market don't take care of
everything. The only thing market takes care of is the market.
Claes
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