Understood, so per our earlier interchange I'd hope that more clear Apache
ownership of the current logo can help to simplify rights and claims. Nest,
John
On Jun 5, 2013 12:49 PM, "Upayavira" <[email protected]> wrote:

> While a logo might be open source, trademark law will restrict what you
> can do with it. It is important to recognise that logos are kind of a
> special case in open source.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013, at 02:23 PM, John Blossom wrote:
> > Copyright is claimed for the logo by Google but the word Wave is too
> > generic and used too widely to be likely to be trademarked in association
> > with the logo. The main concern that I have is that Apache should ensure
> > a
> > more clear ownership of the logo. But if it is used only on open source
> > projects, then by definition CC should be fine for now anyway.
> > On Jun 4, 2013 3:04 PM, "Alfredo Abambres" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Was the OpenWave logo submitted to the organization responsible for
> > > certification of TM or R in the US or any other country by Google or
> > > Apache?
> > >
> > > If not, then we cannot (legally) use the TM symbol or the "trademark"
> word.
> > >
> > > AFAIK, (and I don't know much) the logo was designed and set to use a
> CC
> > > attribution license. No legal registration happened, but I may be wrong
> > > about the registration. Anyhow, if that happened, then a legal document
> > > should be in someone's archive.
> > >
> > > Wave On.
> > >
> > > http://alfredo.abambres.com
> > >
> > > *"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria
> Rilke*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM, John Blossom <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That does seem to be the one that's referenced in the rights page. I
> am
> > > not
> > > > sure where they stand in clarifying the rights ownership transfer
> with
> > > > Google, but either way it seems to be the right one.
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > >
> > > > John Blossom
> > > >
> > > > at 6:20 AM, Yuri Z <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yep, I think we have rights only for the open wave logo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Angus Turner <
> [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I know for sure we have the rights for the Open Wave one, not
> sure
> > > > about
> > > > > > the wiab. I personally think we should go for the openwave, and
> can
> > > add
> > > > > the
> > > > > > trademark to it if needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Angus Turner
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Ali Lown <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christian has raised the point that we need to attach
> 'Trademark'
> > > to
> > > > > > > the wave logo before we can release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We seem to be using a different logo in the project to the one
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > website:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/wave/branches/wave-0.4-release/war/static/logo.png
> > > > > > > https://incubator.apache.org/wave/images/OpenWaveLogo.png
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which of these should we be using going forward? (Presumably
> the
> > > Open
> > > > > > > Wave logo?) (Do we have rights over the wave-in-a-box one?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ali
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

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