On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, ThomasWrobel <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> maybe. > >> But my fear a bit is by then the whole planet might be on Facebook, > >> and no real room for a more distributed alternative. > >Do you remember AOL? > > I fail to see the connection. Facebook is a closed-enity of which > people must be on in order to communicate with other people on it. > That's a pretty darn good description of AOL as well. And in the end AOL died because the web was more interesting. > Its in many ways a feed-back effect of users. > Yup, facebook is a network effect lobster trap. If the web at large wants to "beat" facebook, then it is about time that webapps in general moved beyond the crud app stage and learned from facebook's laser focus on social interaction cues. > Email systems, by comparison, are much easier to leave or switch. > Sure, we might not like to lose our associated identity to an address, > but we can still contact people regardless of what are email provider > is. We dont lose our ability to communicate with people on server X > because we switch to server Y. > Do you believe that the email component of facebook is the reason that every man and his dog in the trailing edge is addicted to checking into facebook? > > >> The most exciting bit about wave for me was the prospect of the > >> federation, and sadly that was the bit more unfulfilled. (save for a > >> few amateur Fed1 servers) > >It was too complicated. > > We got email didnt we? > Email is simple enough that I can teach engineers how to debug email systems by talking smtp and imap directly to servers in about five minutes. Debugging OT via XMPP isn't something I can teach a room of engineers in a day. Maybe a week... > The idea that everyone needs to be on the same company's server to > communicate privately with one another or in groups is just wrong, and > yet its one the web is moving towards. > Nah. Just the usual first mover advantage of development teams who understand why UX matters. > I think its sad to give up hope merely because one implementation has > apparently failed. > > On Aug 5, 1:54 am, Brett Morgan <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:47 AM, ThomasWrobel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > *I meant to say "because one GUI didn't get enough users" > > > Bit of a brain-hiccup there. > > > > > "My personal belief is that we will see a "son of wave" (or "daughter > > > of > > > wave" if you are so inclined) in the coming years. It will, however, > > > look > > > very different. " > > > > > maybe. > > > But my fear a bit is by then the whole planet might be on Facebook, > > > and no real room for a more distributed alternative. > > > > Do you remember AOL? > > > > > The most exciting bit about wave for me was the prospect of the > > > federation, and sadly that was the bit more unfulfilled. (save for a > > > few amateur Fed1 servers) > > > > It was too complicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 1:26 am, Guillermo Rauch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The rich text editor and the XML-compliant OT implementation are > amazing > > > > treasures the project left behind. > > > > Good luck to the GWave team in whatever adventure they partake next. > > > > > > -- > > > > Guillermo Rauchhttp://devthought.com > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Wave Protocol" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<wave-protocol%[email protected]> > <wave-protocol%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Brett Morganhttp://www.google.com/profiles/brett.morgan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Wave Protocol" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<wave-protocol%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol?hl=en. > > -- Brett Morgan http://www.google.com/profiles/brett.morgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Wave Protocol" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol?hl=en.
