It seems to me that agent based password reset mechanism is pretty
simple. I ll try to implement it and see if it gets more complex that
I thought.

On Oct 29, 2:04 am, Alex North <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 29 October 2010 10:44, Vega <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, I don't see a way how "password reset mechanism" can be outside
> > of the
> > authenticated world. Admin should be authenticated into something (DB
> > at least).
>
> Sorry, I wasn't very clear. Yes, admins should be authenticated when
> administering the user database.
>
> Any self-password-reset mechanism would need to be unauthenticated (but then
> rely on some other verification system, like sending an email to a known
> address).
>
> > If you want the most simple wavy password reset mechanism - do it with
> > agent.
> > -Invite agent into wave.
> > -Issue password reset command
> > -Agent has the access to users accounts, so it can check if the user
> > is authorized for such action, if so - it resets the password. Cannot
> > be simpler than that and easy to implement - and still wavy.
>
> I love your passion for implementing things the wavy way! Experience has
> taught me that it's more complex than you make it out, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 1:26 am, Alex North <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I happen to agree with Vega that hosting profile information in Wave has
> > > many advantages. However I disagree just on one piece: the login
> > > information. I do think the username and password need to
> > > be manageable outside of Wave itself. They provide kind of a minimal
> > > bootstrapping environment you need. First you get a username and
> > password,
> > > then you can log into Wave.
>
> > > Clearly the password reset mechanism needs to be outside of the
> > > authenticated world. I think it's simplest to put basic password
> > management
> > > (changing your password when you already know it) outside of waves too.
> > > Building data models in Wave is nice and flexible, but it's a lot of
> > > overhead for something as basic as login credentials.
>
> > > In many cases, authentication will be delegated to some other system,
> > LDAP
> > > for example. We're just trying to implement something basic for groups
> > that
> > > don't have such a system.
>
> > > On 29 October 2010 05:03, Vega <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > The advantage is obvious - you have everything in one place. Another
> > > > advantage - the Wave environment - it means an option for extension.
> > > > For example you can create a simple profile wave. Then you (or some
> > > > 3rd party) can add extension that would import user info from facebook
> > > > etc...
>
> > > > On Oct 28, 1:03 pm, x00 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > Even if you have a gadget, you still need an interface to do the
> > > > > management. I don't see much advantage of embedding this within a
> > > > > wavelet.
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