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On December 27, 2002 at 9:24, Peter Kinev wrote:
> In places where I came from, Wall Street, CVS/pharmacy, GE, GM, and
> rest of 1000 big plus many tens of thousands smaller with exception of
> majority of ISPs and some posters on this list, the deployment
> platform of choice is Java based. In critical applications almost
> without exceptions the Java is in the core of application.
I would agree with you when it comes to large scale companies, and especially
for highly secure things like bank transactions that Java is more common. I have
a younger brother that started out as a green screen programmer, and while
installing mainframes for HSBC all over the world, they use Java. My own
personal internet banking, (ScotiaBank) runs with a .jsp extension for it's pages
and just checking a few other bank pages, they are using java as well.
I converted
> numerous applications from ASP to Java and NEVER in other direction.
LOL! That's why you don't see any people that know how to use their beans out
of work.
> don't know whom you are kidding. It takes a serious flaw in technical
> background or in judgment to say what you are saying. I feel really
> sorry for you people.
Nah, don't feel sorry. It's just that a good number of people on this particular list
are orientated in another direction is all. Rants like yours helps some of them
explore other aspects of computer work, and therefore may enlighten some to
the world of computers beyond the web. just lookin' for that silver lining eh...
BTW, I can produce Web Services in Java without
> ANY hand written wrapper vs. MS proudly announced 20+ lines of code in
> .NET for SOAP envelope.
LOL again. Of course java is better at web services. Using it for services was the
whole idea behind *7 right?
> Do you want to know how?
Personally, no. For what I do, a scripting language like php combined with mysql
and any soap will do. It will not do for my bro' tho' at the bank. From Cheryl's
answer:
> >Personally I prefer .NET but that's because I have been using asp for
> >awhile and it the learning curve isn't that steep for me.
It's that learning curve thing that scares off a lot of people eh. You gotta admit
that for "readability" and understanding the concepts, people that, (generally),
first learn html and javascript, languages like asp and php are easier to soak up.
> >getting to be platform independent since Apache.NET is available (in
> >beta I still last time I heard but getting there)
I already have had an inquiry about running ASP on our Apache/*nix boxes a
couple weeks ago, thought it was very strange until I read this. Txs for the heads
up.
Regards,
Mark Groen
MG Web Services
Web Site Hosting and Development
www.markgroen.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
604-780-6917
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">On December 27, 2002
at 9:24, Peter
Kinev wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
In places where
I came from, Wall Street, CVS/pharmacy, GE, GM, and</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
rest of 1000
big plus many tens of thousands smaller with exception of</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
majority of ISPs
and some posters on this list, the deployment</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
platform of choice
is Java based. In critical applications almost</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
without exceptions
the Java is in the core of application.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I would agree with
you when it comes
to large scale companies, and especially
for highly secure things like bank transactions that Java is more common. I have
a younger brother that started out as a green screen programmer, and while
installing mainframes for HSBC all over the world, they use Java. My own
personal internet banking, (ScotiaBank) runs with a .jsp extension for it's pages
and just checking a few other bank pages, they are using java as well.
</span></font></div>
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</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt"> I
converted</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
numerous applications
from ASP to Java and NEVER in other direction.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">LOL! That's why you
don't see any
people that know how to use their beans out
of work.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
don't know whom
you are kidding. It takes a serious flaw in technical</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
background or
in judgment to say what you are saying. I feel really</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
sorry for you
people.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Nah, don't feel
sorry. It's just that
a good number of people on this particular list
are orientated in another direction is all. Rants like yours helps some of them
explore other aspects of computer work, and therefore may enlighten some to
the world of computers beyond the web. just lookin' for that silver lining
eh...</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">BTW,
I can produce
Web Services in Java without</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
ANY hand written
wrapper vs. MS proudly announced 20+ lines of code in</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
.NET for SOAP
envelope.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">LOL again. Of course
java is better
at web services. Using it for services was the
whole idea behind *7 right?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
Do you want to
know how?</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">
</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Personally, no. For
what I do, a scripting
language like php combined with mysql
and any soap will do. It will not do for my bro' tho' at the bank. From Cheryl's
answer:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
>Personally
I prefer .NET but that's because I have been using asp for</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
>awhile and
it the learning curve isn't that steep for me.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">It's that learning
curve thing that
scares off a lot of people eh. You gotta admit
that for "readability" and understanding the concepts, people that,
(generally),
first learn html and javascript, languages like asp and php are easier to soak
up.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
>getting to
be platform independent since Apache.NET is available (in</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">>
>beta I still
last time I heard but getting there)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I already have had
an inquiry about
running ASP on our Apache/*nix boxes a
couple weeks ago, thought it was very strange until I read this. Txs for the heads
up.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10pt">Regards,</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:10pt">    Mark Groen</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
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<div align="left"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt">MG Web
Services</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt">Web Site Hosting
and Development</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Verdana"><span
style="font-size:10pt">www.markgroen.com</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Verdana"><span
style="font-size:10pt">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Verdana"><span
style="font-size:10pt">604-780-6917</span></font></div>
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