Joe new computer user can have a Mac but I find mine sadly limiting. Personally I prefer the box model used by IE in "quirks" mode over the W3C standard. I'm sorry but it the W3C method makes it too danged difficult to keep calculate out box models. Doable but a PIA if you are trying to get multiple items floated in the correct order.
IMHO padding and borders should be subtracted from the box size not added to it. Adding the margins, yes but anything inside the container be it content, padding or border width should not. After all you buy a picture frame (box), mat (padding) for your picture (content). I've seen pictures framed with a mat as large as the image and the same picture framed with a mat twice the size of the image (looks rather silly sometimes but its 'art'). I know the web is different from print but its like the model used in Flash where lines and fills start out separate and have to be grouped while every other graphics program under the sun (okay possible exaggeration since I haven't used every editor but all the majors PhotoShop, Fireworks, Illustrator, PSP, etc. work the same way) when you create circle, square, whatever, the fill and the line are one unit for manipulation until you ungroup them. But I digress, it was only about a month ago that Microsoft announced that they would be working on IE again. IE 6 in standards mode isn't that much different from Mozilla, etc. IE 5x is losing market share pretty rapidly (thank god). Microsoft has been making a push for more standards support in its products. I'm running the Whitbey beta, asp.net 2.0 and it does output decent XHTML. Not perfect but no tool writes perfect html/xhtml. As far as whatever browser will be in Longhorn I haven't the faintest clue. The few demos I've seen didn't include the browser just the new interface and file system. IE has support for pngs just not full alpha transparency support just the gif like index transparency and has for a long time. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer MS-MVP-FrontPage www.wiserways.com mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 713.353.0139 Office -----Original Message----- From: Ross Clutterbuck. I doubt this will ever happen, although it's probably for reasons of mad conspiracy on my part!! However awful it may be for us professionals to code for, or more accurately how easy it is to code for but it's insanely inaccurate forgivings make it difficult to code cross-platform *correctly*, it's still, IMO, the easiest browser for Joe Soap public to use, requires no pratting about installing (it's available straight out of the box to the majority of computer owners in the world - boy I wish new computer users would by a Mac once in a while!) and while it holds the biggest market share, it can serve to allow Microsoft to dictate the direction if Web development and sway the standards should they so choose. How long can W3C hold out saying "but Mr. Gates, the browser that has 90,000% market share does things wrong"? I can honestly see the day coming when IE7 still refuses to implement standards correctly or completely and W3C buckle under the pressure and re-write things to accomodate Microsoft's steadfast reluctance to do things correctly. Either that or be made to look foolish and a waste of time. What about PNG? Surely to god IE can use PNG transparency natively by now? Of course it can't (note: anybody know if IE7 can do it?) because if it could there would be no reason to use the GIF format any more (OK, I still find even PNG-8 to be a little weighty compared to GIF but with broadband connections becoming more commonplace throughout the world it's not going to be an issue for much longer). And with no reason to use GIF, it's possible that the *creation* of such images will no longer be supported by the graphics packages out there. In short: Compuserve don't get their royalties no more, and that's an awful lot of money. Can anybody see a little backhander from Compuserve to Microsoft here? If the most proliferent browser still makes the use of GIF-killer more hassle than it's worth then there's every reason to keep GIF alive. And before Microsoft lawyers start banging my door down after illegally reading this e-mail, I would like to point out that these are my own thoughts and opinions - I make no claims of their accuracy (although how much does Free Speech cost these days?), but if you get riled about it maybe I touched a nerve there, eh? Just realised the time - I think I better get back to work! MOU who's off to take his paranoia medication now :D ____ � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � ____ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
