drew, MOU and Stephen, I am following through on the urls and will further build my understanding; zengarden and happycog are excellent sites. I don't argue with that at all. Positioniseverything offers great clarity. I have no trouble with the principles of css/box/float, nor the site control it offers - particularly for the larger sites.
While, as a limited web designer, I like any of these techniques which make that side of life easier I am also a site owner concerned with my surfer's experience. It is here that I see problems. I use my own surfing as a test and a sort of metaphor for my visitors. Now, whatever size of screen a surfer has his/her viewing experience is affected by the size of browser as she/he uses it. On the fixed box sites a browser smaller than the designed size needs scrolling (not such a problem in all honesty) but may also mean important design aspects cannot do their 'one second hypnosis' job, and it looks inflexible which is not a good image on the flexible net. Floats have another difficulty. Many surfers will have no problem with an ever changing text and box shaping as scrolling is done. But, not only for old codgers like me, too much visual disturbance creates actual discomfort. In fact I increasing limit my television watching because the excess use of flashing, quick refocussing, idiiotically close close-ups, crossing of people and objects between the subject and the camera, fast sweeps and ever-shortening takes (to name but a few coke-induced ideas). Like everybody else I sit much closer to the monitor than to a TV screen. Oh so many of the floats I have seen move around with scrolling, or change shape and/or position as the page downloads (maybe not only a box problem, but encouraged by the technique). So I am not just asking for adivce and help on how to go about it (I am already sold on css itself) but for a part of the discussion MOU referred to: can I make this new (to me anyway) method as flexible in different sized bowsers as I can make tables (visually comfortable is what I mean) without suffering a fluidity that ageing and imperfect eyes will find uncomfortable? At the moment I am planning to stay with tables for my redesign (if I ever get it done!!!) but I could still be convinced that I shouldn't; but it is viewr experience I am concerned with. Sorry to go on at length, but I think this is an important aspect. Joseph Harris > From: Joseph Harris > Subject: [wdvltalk] CSS boxes etc > > With Cascade DTP I have just been experimenting with absolute positioning. > My impression is that this forces a very rigid approach to design and > layout. And I have not felt there is comfortable surfing with the floats I > have viewed. > > If I am missing the point how, with the latest css (oft-praised on wdvl > talk), can I achieve the flow and adaptability of tables - which I find a > much more comfortable viewing experience? > > Intertwined in this, I suppose, is the question: just because it can be > done, should it? I hope this is a sensible question; I have my dunce's > cap ready if not. > > Joseph Harris > > > ============================================================================ > > West Civ offers a fine set of basic courses. Their technique is to offer > free online versions on a rotating basis. Currently they are offering CSS > Level 1, the introductory course. It's in week 5 now but you can also get to > Week 4 and frankly the expense is minor for the entire course. Have a look > at: > > http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html > > Also for the box model, Big John and Holly have a fine mini tutorial at: > > http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/float-theory.html > > Their site is excellent for explaining some of the special features found > only in IE. > > drew > > ____ . 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