Will,

I saw this after I had sent out my earlier reply.   I have Top Style Lite
(from a much earlier recommendation by Cheryl) and I agree it is a great
help.   And thanks Cheryl for the further link.

I clicked back to my own (tables) site to check I was talking (and writing)
sense and I find that some pages re-adjust to more or less fit a smaller
browser window and some don't - or do so to a lesser degree!!   My skills
(and time to hone them) are by necessity limited, so I'm not too ashamed of
that, but my object is a site which offers a good experience however the
browser window is.

I have taken on board Stephen's further highly informative and helpful
remarks.

Now I have (since I have noted boxes) understood that there are great
similarities in appearance between tables and boxes;  and previously that
css cleans up the html (the added SE positioning value I had not registered
before, though).

I will download and see how I get on with Stephen's Firefox advice.

The mobile boxes I have seen which I have been describing (inadequately) are
not the ones that fill a width, but those that float so that if the browser
is scrolled a section (usually with transparency but not always) bounces
around at the top ot side or bottom of the window, often obscuring some part
of the main text;  the movement can be uncomfortable.   I am starting to
understand this is not what I had thought, but what is that?

Thanks again for all the comments, teachers.

Joseph (who thought he had a good gripe)

> Joseph,
>
> Also google for "css columns."  That will help you get a foundational
> understanding of how css does layouts.  I try to shy away from absolute
> positioning as much as I can.
>
> Check out: http://www.simplebits.com  He has some wonderful CSS designs
> and tutorials (although many are advanced). Here is the exact link to
> his CSS section:
> http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/css/index.html
>
> Purchase TopStyle3 Pro.  I cannot say enough about how this program has
> helped me.  It will give you instruction on what certain CSS elements
> are and help you keep syntactically correct.
>
> Take a lot of code apart.  This is my best way of learning.  I'm like
> the apprentice brain surgeon: I touch a brain lobe and then see what
> part of the body twitched!  :)
>
> Hope that helped,
> Will
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [wdvltalk] CSS boxes etc
>
> With Cascade DTP I have just been experimenting with absolute
> positioning.
> My impression is that this forces a very rigid approach to design and
> layout.   And I have not felt there is comfortable surfing with the
> floats I
> have viewed.
>
> If I am missing the point how, with the latest css (oft-praised on wdvl
> talk), can I achieve the flow and adaptability of tables - which I find
> a
> much more comfortable viewing experience?
>
> Intertwined in this, I suppose, is the question:  just because it can be
> done, should it?    I hope this is a sensible question;  I have my
> dunce's
> cap ready if not.
>
> Joseph Harris
>
>
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