Hope he wasn't a union surgeon, Joseph - you know, "One out all out"! LOL
Yes - but also I find that when Windows (or some
other programs) do an automatic update - perhaps
during the night when I schedule them in case
they need everything closing before updating - I
come to the machine in the morning and it's waiting for my input!
I've no doubt there are lots of tweaks and boxes
that can be ticked deep in the system to overcome
these - but self taught guys and gals like me
(not that I'm anything like a gal - I just like
them!! LOL) don't always know about them and as
Deb said - the Windows Help Files are not always a lot of use!
I always enjoyed the manuals - I could take them
on a plane or train and read them and find out
lots I wanted to know - and lots more I didn't
think I needed to know until I read it! - and not
feel it was impinging on time when I could be
earning money! I've resorted to buying some of
the large tomes that deal with the intricacies of
some programs I really want to get to grips with.
With a return trip to OZ coming up I am hoping
I'll get to do some serious reading - so long as
the books don't exceed the size of permitted hand baggage!
Peter MacGregor
At 10:40 20/10/2006, you wrote:
I'm still a bit groggy from lettting surgeons
near, and had assumed this problem would get one
eureka or another. I too have suddenly
acquired the unwanted log in screen. It
appeared after allowing Xp updates and i had
assumed it was the usual 'Bill knows best' virtual Nanny State at work.
Since I have no user accounts set up (I have
just 'the owner' with no log in need) I simply
face a click if (when) I am away for more than
ten minutes or so. That's irritating enough...
Joseph
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From: "Peter MacGregor"
I think this whole thread just serves to
emphasise that "ease of use" or "plug and play"
are still figments of the imagination of the top
guns in the computer industry.
I too struggle time and again with trying to sort
out the supposedly simplest things. I've been
around personal computers since the Apple IIe and
before that was using mini and mainframe
machines. Problem was I was always a user so had
a back-up team to sort the problems. Being
interested in technology I always asked questions
and learnt a lot, but was never sent by an
employer on any sort of training course. It's
been listening and reading the manuals (Oh
shame!! LOL) that has taught me most. The result
has been that I do know a fair amount - more than
many of my peers and as a result they seem to
think I'm some sort of guru. That leads to all
sorts of issues in terms of people impinging on
my time for help with the most mundane things.
Fortunately I have a son who is know an IT
Manager for a largish firm in London using
multi-networks of PCs so he can help and if he's
not available (he travels sometimes to branch
offices) I have my good friends here on this
forum which I have honestly found to be more sue
than any of the fora dedicated to specific programs or systems.
Right now I'm struggling with trying to figure
out why our parish office can't download emails
from the email address related to their web site.
I can get them if I set up my email - but they
aren't for me and some are confidential. I've
spent most of this week messing with this problem
on and off and am tearing my hair our. Their
system keeps defaulting to their ISP email
details and won't hold those for the web! I've
scanned their machine for viruses, updated their
ant-virus and firewall (and now set the machine
to do it automatically, but as they are on a
dial-up that is a problem at times) but nothing
so far has worked. This is a prize example of
what should be so simple and straightforward but is in fact a nightmare.
Neither their ISP nor the web service host has a
telephone help line so we are waiting around for
email support all the time. Whatever about Deb's
comment about laws against software suppliers
having their products do things without warning,
I firmly believe that any company that provides
any service that is delivered over the telephone
system should have people on the end of the phone
to provide help on a one to one basis. Not
answering machines, not multi-press options on
the phone pad - a real live human being that
knows the system inside out and can talk you through the problems and options.
Hey Ho! Back to hair tearing!
Cheers
Peter MacGregor
At 07:52 20/10/2006, you wrote:
At 01:16 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
I apologise sincerely for any offence if you
thought I was being sarcastic at you! I
should have said "type *just* the right
question into Google". You have to have a
fairly twisted mind to produce the answer you
want at the first, or even fifty-first,
attempt. None of the 300-plus computer users
that I support can do this, or I'd be out of a
job. Also when I said 'to save you the
trouble' that's exactly what I meant, it would
have been quite rude of me to just leave it at
steps 1-3 when I had the answer on my screen.
But if I had just posted the answer without
the method, perhaps I would have been posing
as some kind of super guru instead of just
someone who used Google to get the answer...
modesty and helpfulness, see, not bitterness and cheap shots at all.... :-)
Thanks, Bj. You are correct in that you really
do have to twist your mind to find what you
need sometimes. I thought I was searching on
the right words but as you can see, I was
wrong. I also assumed just searching in the
WinXP help files on my own computer would yield
me the answer - bzzzt - wrong answer, Deb!
I have been in tech support for about twenty
years but frankly, skill, knowledge,
experience and training are only useful in
about 5% of situations. Mainly I earn my
living by switching equipment off and back on
again, and when that occasionally fails,
typing *just* the right question into Google /
looking in *just* the right place in the
manual or help file... it's a rare gift, I mean a *rare* gift.
Erm, also, I must admit finding this one
probably was more like the fifty-first
attempt, the first time I had to look for it...
I do appreciate the trouble you went to to find it for me.
I'm not going to mess w/this anymore. I just
don't have the time and after being totally
locked out after my attempts - I'm now more on
the paranoid side of terrified of this
happening again. It would have been nice had
the program that installed this given me the
option of setting it up this way - I'd have
surely checked NO! It has to be either the
printer or the Wacom Pen Tab as this all
happened after that. I do remember something
about MSN Messenger or ??? coming up but for
the life of me can't remember what it was
now. I was just dumbfounded to have installed
all of this, gone to bed, got up - rebooted and
suddenly there is was w/no warning. There
oughta be a law against software doing this but
then I would imagine they'd listen about as
well as the spammers listen to the laws about
spamming and to the people who don't want it.
Deb
Bj
----- Original Message ----- From: "PBC Web
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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen
At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have
to type just the right question into Google.
Apparently, this was the problem. I had not
worded my searches correctly in the WinXP
help files to find what you did. Nothing I
found in the help files had anything like
this. I neglected to mention that I did try
the WinXP help files before posting. I did
not however, try Google. Thank you. I will try this.
:: Deb | PBC Web Design
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