Paul Mullen wrote:
> Koen van Hees, [EMAIL PROTECTED] proclaimed:
> >stuff yourself with magic mushrooms and emerge in this universe a week later
> >
>
> Keep hoping. There's nothing the least bit amusing about a world that
> considers drug use hip and self-preservation evil. (Isn't it interesting,
> though, how the same people who  think a disarmed citizenry would be just
> swell still can't get enough violence in their entertainment. What
> strange web we do weave.)

at least magic mushrooms, marijuana, lsd et al ton't promote violence
towards one's fellow man. For the record, I despise violence of all
kinds. But then, I'm an ex-soldier (Parachute Regiemnt, British Army)
who has been to war and experienced extreme violence. I had killed men
before I was old enough to vote and before I made love for the first
time.

There is much that I love and respect about American culture. But, this
fascination with firearms that promotes so much violence in your nation
I do not begin to understand. Have you never considered why it is that,
almost alone among nations, the United States is the place where school
children take firearms to school and massacre their schoolmates? Not as
an isolated incident, but with almost monotonous regularity.

> 
> Rich Kulawiec, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mewed:
> >Charming.  The good old fashioned independent American way to solve
> >all problems: get a gun.
> 
> Not so charming: somehow believing that your safety and well-being are in
> any way someone else's responsibility (and trusting them to provide that
> security). Completely repellent: the incredibly ignorant notion that
> those who believe in every human's inalienable right to self-defense are
> all violent, hateful knuckle-dragging war-mongers just itching for a
> chance to wreak death and destruction on society at large.

I don't assume this at all. I have met some extremely urbane, charming
and intelligent killers. In fact, in the service of my country, I once
was one myself.

Imagine if 200
> years ago our founding fathers had decided that truly good and decent
> subjects would recognize that only the benevolent state should retain the
> power of force, and by extension, that they should simply acquiesce to
> the whims of King George and Parliament. ("Pesky commoners! Your betters
> will decide what's good for you. Now, get back to your plowing and your
> planting, or there'll be no cider for you at the manor house come Sunday!

There is rather a difference between a community struggling against
colonialism and the oppression that derives from it and having every
man, woman, child and psychopath wandering around enjoying their
democratic right to carry lethal weapons in the greatest democracy of
them all.

> ") Keep your chin up, Rich. Maybe someday we'll all live in a utopia
> where neither private ownership of firearms nor Microsoft products are
> legal. Rest assured our governments are working on it this very minute.

One can only hope so. 

> True, but the poster did ask for a survival guide to a "worst case
> scenario." That's what I described. I doubt that many believe it'll get
> that bad, at least not as the result of a computer glitch.

Of course not. It'll be the result of a leftist, communist, atheist,
drug-taking hippy consipiracy including the US government, the United
Nations, the Catholic and Anglican Churches, the Democratic Party,
Blacks, Asians and women, won't it? <grin>

-- 
Frank Lee. Interactive Strategist, IBM Australia Ltd.
Member: Aust.DM Assc., Market Research Soc. of Aust., Web Consultants
Assoc., HTML Writers Guild, Internet Professionals Association.
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