from laura lemay, web publishing with HTML 4, page 343:
<quote>
If you include a <frameset> tag in an HTML document, you cannot also
include a <body> tag. Basically, the two tags are mutually exclusive. In
addition, no other formatting tags, hyperlinks, or document text should be
included in a frame definition document, except in one special case (the
<noframes> tag).
</quote>
I had class members who tried to use <body> with attributes like color to
format their noframes copy to zero success (as output by Opera with frames
turned "off").
So this must be a change in the frame designation that was added when the
technique was finalized in HTML 4, I'm guessing.
W3C has been a major player in accessibility issues - and the noframes tag
is designed primarily for universal access. But this means you have links
to real content, not a "download Netscape" message!
Here is the "frame" set from the W3C documentation:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html
Note: no body tags in <noframes>
The NOFRAMES element specifies content that should be displayed only when
frames are not being displayed. User agents that support frames must only
display the contents of a NOFRAMES declaration when configured not to
display frames. User agents that do not support frames must display the
contents of NOFRAMES in any case.
NOFRAMES can be used in the FRAMESET section of a frameset document.
For example:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>A frameset document with NOFRAMES</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<FRAMESET cols="50%, 50%">
<FRAME src="main.html">
<FRAME src="table_of_contents.html">
<NOFRAMES>
<P>Here is the <A href="main-noframes.html">
non-frame based version of the document.</A>
</NOFRAMES>
</FRAMESET>
</HTML>
Following the W3C link to "noframescontent"
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/loosedtd.html#noframes.content
doesn't help.
Kathy
At 8:30 AM -0400 7/18/98, Brent Eades wrote:
>On 17 Jul 98, Kathy E. Gill wrote:
>
>> NO - do NOT put a <body> tag anywhere Inside a frameset! The frameset
>> tag is a *substitution* for the body tag.
>>
>> You just put copy & links inside the <noframes> </noframes> tags.
>>
>> While I do not doubt that there are browsers that will render this code
>> as written -- hell, MSIE doesn't require that you close table rows or
>> even the damn table itself -- it's not spec code.
>>
>
>Sorry Kathy, but you're wrong here. It is indeed 4.0-compliant, has been
>for awhile. It even has its own w3.org DTD:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/frameset.dtd">
>
>>From htmlhelp.com, which is a reference site maintained by various w3.org
>types:
>
>* * *
>
>Syntax: <NOFRAMES>...<NOFRAMES>
>
>Contents:
>
> In HTML 4.0 Transitional: inline elements, block-level elements
>
> In HTML 4.0 Frameset: one BODY element that must not contain any
> NOFRAMES elements
>
> Contained in: APPLET, BLOCKQUOTE, BODY, BUTTON, CENTER, DD, DEL,
> DIV, FIELDSET, FORM, FRAMESET, IFRAME, INS, LI, MAP, NOSCRIPT,
> OBJECT, TD, TH
>
> The NOFRAMES element contains content that should only be
> rendered when frames are not displayed.
>
> NOFRAMES is typically used in a Frameset document to provide
> alternate content for browsers that do not support frames or
> have frames disabled.
>
> When used within a FRAMESET, NOFRAMES must contain a BODY
> element. There must not be any NOFRAMES elements contained
> within this BODY element.
>
> A meaningful NOFRAMES element should always be provided in a
> Frameset document and should at the very least contain links to
> the main frame or frames. **NOFRAMES should not contain a
> message telling the user to upgrade his or her browser.** Some
> browsers support frames but allow the user to disable them.
>
>* * *
>
>There has been some ambiguity about this in the specs for quite awhile,
>because in various places within the official HTML 4.0 documentation you
>will find the phrase: "In a Frameset document, the outermost FRAMESET
>element takes the place of BODY and immediately follows the HEAD." This
>is correct; but it does not imply that <body> is forbidden inside
><noframes>).
>
>(On the other hand, some pages at w3.org also show samples of
><noframes> code without <body>, rather confusingly. What with the
>various DTD flavours of 4.0 co-existing presently -- Strict, Transitional,
>Frameset -- I'm not surprised there's some inconsistency in the
>documentation.)
>
>But to say "do NOT put a <body> tag anywhere Inside a frameset!" is
>incorrect.
>
>See http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/frames/frameset.html for more
>information. Also, try running the code sample I provided to Suz through
>either WebTech or w3.org's own validator; it will pass error-free:
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/frameset.dtd">
><html>
> <head>
> <title>whatever</title>
> </head>
>
> <frameset rows="*,*">
>
> <frame src="one.html" name=one>
> <frame src="two.html" name=two>
>
> <noframes>
>
> <body>
> normal body stuff goes here
> </body>
>
> </noframes>
>
> </frameset>
></html>
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