On 17 Jul 98, Kathy E. Gill wrote:
> NO - do NOT put a <body> tag anywhere Inside a frameset! The frameset
> tag is a *substitution* for the body tag.
>
> You just put copy & links inside the <noframes> </noframes> tags.
>
> While I do not doubt that there are browsers that will render this code
> as written -- hell, MSIE doesn't require that you close table rows or
> even the damn table itself -- it's not spec code.
>
Sorry Kathy, but you're wrong here. It is indeed 4.0-compliant, has been
for awhile. It even has its own w3.org DTD:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/frameset.dtd">
>From htmlhelp.com, which is a reference site maintained by various w3.org
types:
* * *
Syntax: <NOFRAMES>...<NOFRAMES>
Contents:
In HTML 4.0 Transitional: inline elements, block-level elements
In HTML 4.0 Frameset: one BODY element that must not contain any
NOFRAMES elements
Contained in: APPLET, BLOCKQUOTE, BODY, BUTTON, CENTER, DD, DEL,
DIV, FIELDSET, FORM, FRAMESET, IFRAME, INS, LI, MAP, NOSCRIPT,
OBJECT, TD, TH
The NOFRAMES element contains content that should only be
rendered when frames are not displayed.
NOFRAMES is typically used in a Frameset document to provide
alternate content for browsers that do not support frames or
have frames disabled.
When used within a FRAMESET, NOFRAMES must contain a BODY
element. There must not be any NOFRAMES elements contained
within this BODY element.
A meaningful NOFRAMES element should always be provided in a
Frameset document and should at the very least contain links to
the main frame or frames. **NOFRAMES should not contain a
message telling the user to upgrade his or her browser.** Some
browsers support frames but allow the user to disable them.
* * *
There has been some ambiguity about this in the specs for quite awhile,
because in various places within the official HTML 4.0 documentation you
will find the phrase: "In a Frameset document, the outermost FRAMESET
element takes the place of BODY and immediately follows the HEAD." This
is correct; but it does not imply that <body> is forbidden inside
<noframes>).
(On the other hand, some pages at w3.org also show samples of
<noframes> code without <body>, rather confusingly. What with the
various DTD flavours of 4.0 co-existing presently -- Strict, Transitional,
Frameset -- I'm not surprised there's some inconsistency in the
documentation.)
But to say "do NOT put a <body> tag anywhere Inside a frameset!" is
incorrect.
See http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/frames/frameset.html for more
information. Also, try running the code sample I provided to Suz through
either WebTech or w3.org's own validator; it will pass error-free:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/frameset.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>whatever</title>
</head>
<frameset rows="*,*">
<frame src="one.html" name=one>
<frame src="two.html" name=two>
<noframes>
<body>
normal body stuff goes here
</body>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>
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