At the risk of starting a holy war, the largest source of dioxin, if my
memory serves me right, is forest fires and the burning of wood for heat
(dioxin is a product of incomplete combustion).
Not Dow Corning.
Don't confuse advocates like Moore with people who "tell the truth" ....
Kathy
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> From: Rich Kulawiec[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: WC:>: RE: Computers and software are consumables
>
> On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 01:15:31PM -0500, Bob Munck wrote:
> > Actually it doesn't, as dollars are the way that we keep score.
> > Possibly what you're struggling to articulate is that some costs
> > translate very indirectly into money. For example, I believe
> > that the downsizing fad was largely a "cashing in" of the
> > corporate assets of employee loyalty and knowledge for stock
> > price and profit. Losing that loyalty won't show up on the
> > corporate books as dollars for some time, and won't appear
> > explicitly, but it is a dollar cost.
>
> Yes, you're correct that I'm struggling to articulate it. And your
> example is an excellent one, but one that I have never seen anyone
> in upper management comprehend. (It'd be a pleasant surprise to do so.)
>
> > I'm relieved to know that you have something to fall back on.
> > Before you ask: no, I don't want fries with that.
>
> <chuckle> I've already been there and done that, back when I was
> putting myself through college. I suppose I could also try to make
> a living as a musician again, now that the Internet helps to solve
> a lot of the problems I faced the last time around.
>
> > You don't understand what the word "investment" means and
> > you're criticizing managers and bean-counters?
>
> I think I do understand what it means, and I'm simply applying it
> in a different sense. I've already acknowledged that perhaps
> "good investment" is a better way of phrasing it.
>
> > I got to know Tom Watson Jr., then CEO of IBM, pretty well when I
> > was at Brown. I've also know several Nobel Prize winners (Leon
> > Cooper (of BCS) was my undergraduate advisor), rocket scientists,
> > and many of the best programmers, system designers, and hackers
> > of the century. Watson was smarter and worked harder than any of them.
>
> Okay, I believe you. Maybe he *was* one of the people that I described
> as a "true business leader" because he was really a leader.
>
> But he's not there now.
>
> More typically you'll find these kind of people:
>
> William Stavropoulos, CEO of DOW: $1.28 million/year, eliminated
> 15,800 jobs in the last five years. DOW is the world's largest
> source of dioxin -- and yes, they still make pesticides that
> contain it. DOW is 50% owner of Dow Corning, the leading maker
> of breast implants and silicone gel.
>
> Ralph Larsen, CEO of Ortho Pharmaceutical: $2.675 million/year,
> eliminated 3,600 jobs, oversaw PR campaign to promote the use
> of Retin-A to treat sun-wrinkled skin prior to FDA approval;
> when a 1991 grand jury subpoena was served on the company relating
> to this campaign, company officials persuaded employees to
> shred documents and hide videotapes. In 1995, Ortho pleaded
> guilty of obstruction of justice, was finded $5 million and
> ordered to pay $2.5 million in restitution.
>
> Jay Phillips, CEO of Philips Electronics, eliminated 70,000 jobs.
> Company pleaded guilty in 1995 to defrauding the DoD by falsifying
> and destroying records.
>
> William Rutledge, CEO of Teledyne, $1.065 million/year, eliminated
> 3,000 jobs. Company pled guilty in 1995 to violating the US Arms
> Control Act by exporting 130 tons of weapons-grade zirconium to
> a Chilean arms vendor. Settled two whistle-blower suits in 1994
> for $112.5 million, another in 1995 for $2.2 million plus had to
> pay $19 million in related settlements that same year. Let's see...
> $2.15 million in 1993 to settle claims over falsified cockpit
> electronics systems....$17.5 million criminal fine for defense
> fraud involving Teledyne Relays...
>
> And you wonder why I have a very negative attitude about business types.
> These are the "leaders of industry"? They're worse than street bandits,
> who at least have the guts to face their victims one-on-one.
>
> (BTW, I grabbed some of this from Michael Moore's excellent book,
> "Downsize This!".)
>
> ---Rsk
> Rich Kulawiec
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