On 10 Apr 99, at 13:37, Matthew Soffen wrote:

> This I agree with.

And I agreed with all that too.

> Not in my experience.  I used to run a chat room that was a perl
> script.  The overhead of the perl program was HORRIBLE.  I

Chat in normal perl is horrible. I asked someone to leave my site if 
they continuted to run their chat in perl (written in perl4).

> The site that Camille and and I work for (as a consultant) is
> getting over 100K page views (not hits- 100K pages is like 810K
> hits) each and every day.  The server (a P300 w/512MB of RAM) is
> constantly at 95% CPU utilization.  So I know first hand the
> problems of PERL vs. C on a heavily loaded CPU/SERVER.

What about mod_perl??   Are you running this server without mod_perl 
but using perl? You ought to install mod_perl.

> >in answer to your original question, i doubt you'll find a
> >non-geek oriented piece of middleware that offers you good
> >flexibility.   i'll second Steven's suggestion for PHP.. it's a
> >good package which emphasizes template-driven database
> >interaction.. but if you're doing anything complex, you'll
> >probably want to find a geek.

I guess Cold Fusion would fit in here. I have not heard much of it 
recently but  a lot of people have sworn by it.

BTW, I happen to prefer readability/scalability/modifiability to my 
perl code.  I started to write most of my code in modular/OOP methods 
about a year ago.  It is a tremendous help.  Most of the perl out 
there is in a horrendous, old perl4 type that I would never touch.  
Given my new methods I can pass code back and forth between different 
servers and databases with at most about 1 hour modification and 
generally about just 5 minutes (where I just change a few paths or 
names at the top of one file -- as the rest are modules/classes that 
work on any server).

Peter

Hey, I really appreciate the input from you all with much more 
experience than me.

Might is not Right. But there is a lot of Might knocking 
about in this world, and something has to be done about it.
-- King Arthur, The Once and Future King
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