At 01:20 AM 4/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On 10 Apr 99, at 13:37, Matthew Soffen wrote:
>
>> This I agree with.
>
>And I agreed with all that too.
>
>> Not in my experience. I used to run a chat room that was a perl
>> script. The overhead of the perl program was HORRIBLE. I
>
>Chat in normal perl is horrible. I asked someone to leave my site if
>they continuted to run their chat in perl (written in perl4).
I have to agree with that one. It was the slowest hunk of junk I
ever had to deal with.
>> The site that Camille and and I work for (as a consultant) is
>> getting over 100K page views (not hits- 100K pages is like 810K
>> hits) each and every day. The server (a P300 w/512MB of RAM) is
>> constantly at 95% CPU utilization. So I know first hand the
>> problems of PERL vs. C on a heavily loaded CPU/SERVER.
>
>What about mod_perl?? Are you running this server without mod_perl
>but using perl? You ought to install mod_perl.
At the time when the problems cropped up, mod_perl wasn't as
widely known as it is now. I didn't have the luxury of time to
learn/find it (and learn how to install it). I knew C/C++ and
the complexity of the perl was very low.
All heavily hit scripts are written in C/C++, the only perl is
for very low use scripts (10 hits or less per day).
This is WITH most of the CGI programs written in C/C++. It used
to be a P100 w/64MB of RAM hitting at most 30,000 page views and
at 95% utilization and many CGI's written in perl. Sorry if I
confused people.
>> >in answer to your original question, i doubt you'll find a
>> >non-geek oriented piece of middleware that offers you good
>> >flexibility. i'll second Steven's suggestion for PHP.. it's a
>> >good package which emphasizes template-driven database
>> >interaction.. but if you're doing anything complex, you'll
>> >probably want to find a geek.
>
>I guess Cold Fusion would fit in here. I have not heard much of it
>recently but a lot of people have sworn by it.
Thats possible.. IF they want to spend money...
>BTW, I happen to prefer readability/scalability/modifiability to my
>perl code. I started to write most of my code in modular/OOP methods
>about a year ago. It is a tremendous help. Most of the perl out
>there is in a horrendous, old perl4 type that I would never touch.
>Given my new methods I can pass code back and forth between different
>servers and databases with at most about 1 hour modification and
>generally about just 5 minutes (where I just change a few paths or
>names at the top of one file -- as the rest are modules/classes that
>work on any server).
Matt Soffen
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