On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Graham Dumpleton <graham.dumple...@gmail.com> wrote: > No other developers of actual web frameworks has commented at all on > PEP 3333 from what I can see.
I wrote a bunch about WSGI/Py3 on python-dev: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-September/103674.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-September/103717.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-September/103744.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-September/103887.html My feelings haven't changed: deploying Python 2 is awesome. Deploying Python 3 is impossible. To quote at length from myself: """ Deploying web apps under Python 2 right now is actually pretty awesome. There's a clear leader in mod_wsgi that's fast, stable, easy to use, and under active development. There's a few great lightweight pure-Python servers, some new-hotness (Gunicorn) and some tried-and-true (CherryPy). There's a fast-as-hell bleeding-edge option (nginx + uwsgi). And those are just the ones I've successfully put into production -- there're still *more* options if one of those won't cut it. The key here is that switching between all of these deployment situations is *incredibly* easy. [...] Python 3 offers me none of this. I don't have a wide variety of tools to choose from. Worse, I don't even have a guarantee of interoperability between the tools that *do* exist. """ The reason I'm not chiming on on 3333 vs 444 is that I DON'T CARE. Just give me something that works on Python 3, dammit. I can't even begin to think about moving to Python 3 until I've got a solid standard with multiple implementations. It seems to me that PEP 3333 could land faster than PEP 444, but if that's not true, again, I don't care. I just want a deployment answer for Python 3. I'm sorry if I sound petulant here, but I'm really quite frustrated. I want to be moving to Python 3 a couple of years ago, and I just don't understand the issues and problems in WSGI and web servers to be able to help out. If I was smart enough, I'd help. Instead, I'm trying to use the bully pulpit any way I can. Please, people, move this damn thing forward. Jacob _______________________________________________ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com
