At 12:39 AM 1/7/2011 -0800, Alice Bevan­McGregor wrote:
Earlier in this post I illustrated a few that directly apply to a commercial application I am currently writing. I'll elaborate:

:: Image scaling would benefit from multi-processing (spreading the load across cores). Also, only one sacle is immediately required before returning the post-upload page: the thumbnail. The other scales can be executed without halting the WSGI application's return.

:: Asset content extraction and indexing would benefit from threading, and would also not require pausing the WSGI application.

:: Since most templating engines aren't streaming (see my unanswered thread in the general mailing list re: this), pausing the application pending a particularly difficult render is a boon to single-threaded async servers, though true streaming templating (with flush semantics) would be the holy grail. ;)

In all these cases, ISTM the benefit is the same if you future the WSGI apps themselves (which is essentially what most current async WSGI servers do, AFAIK).


:: Long-duration calls to non-async-aware libraries such as DB access.
The WSGI application could queue up a number of long DB queries, pass the futures instances to the template, and the template could then .result() (block) across them or yield them to be suspended and resumed when the result is available.

:: True async is useful for WebSockets, which seem a far superior solution to JSON/AJAX polling in addition to allowing real web-based socket access, of course.

The point as it relates to WSGI, though, is that there are plenty of mature async APIs that offer these benefits, and some of them (e.g. Eventlet and Gevent) do so while allowing blocking-style code to be written. That is, you just make what looks like a blocking call, but the underlying framework silently suspends your code, without tying up the thread.

Or, if you can't use a greenlet-based framework, you can use a yield-based framework. Or, if for some reason you really wanted to write continuation-passing style code, you could just use the raw Twisted API.

But in all of these cases you would be better off than if you used a half-implementation of the same thing using futures under WSGI, because all of those frameworks already have mature and sophisticated APIs for doing async communications and DB access. If you try to do it with WSGI under the guise of "portability", all this means is that you are stuck rolling your own replacements for those existing APIs.

Even if you've already written a bunch of code using raw sockets and want to make it asynchronous, Eventlet and Gevent actually let you load a compatibility module that makes it all work, by replacing the socket API with an exact duplicate that secretly suspends your code whenever a socket operation would block.

IOW, if you are writing a truly async application, you'd almost have to be crazy to want to try to do it *portably*, vs. picking a full-featured async API and server suite to code against. And if you're migrating an existing, previously-synchronous WSGI app to being asynchronous, the obvious thing to do would just be to grab a copy of Eventlet or Gevent and import the appropriate compatibility modules, not rewrite the whole thing to use futures.

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