On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:37 AM, BG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is a good idea. This summer (I think) we had some discussions > > on the difference between a module and a plugin (I argued that there > > is a fundamental and important difference in concept;). > > Well it seems clear enough to me > Plugin - Non-application specific code, that can be used by any > application, residing "outside" the application directory > Module - Application specific code residing in an application's module > directory.
The problem is that what concepts seem clear to different people do not correspond well... E.g. - Plugin in a browser is _very_ application specific: it is something that implements a pre-defined defined interface. The situation doesn't seem to get any clearer if you try to look at wikipedia, for example. So - we have what we have (for now). > > > Thanks for letting me know about using a model file for my "do when > receiving any request" needs. > > BTW. Am I the only one having problems with the code highlighting in > Firefox. Seems that the CSS coloring is somewhat "offset" to the text. > > ....and thanks for being so friendlt to a first timer.... > > > -BG > > On Dec 19, 6:16 pm, yarko <[email protected]> wrote: > > HI BG - > > > > Thanks for your note. Sorry for the delay on your posting - to help > > manage spam robots (some of them quite offensive), we setup the group > > to moderate new users. WIth the holidays here, the people who can > > moderate are scattered accross the globe / time-zones, busy skiing and > > with families (I hope! ;-). Your questions will be posted without any > > more delays now. > > > > On Dec 19, 5:01 am, BG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I already posted this once, but it didn't seem to appear. I apologize > > > if my post is just delayed and will now somehow appear twice. > > > > > I intended to use Django for a project but found it too time consuming > > > to learn. > > > With Web2py I seem to be able to "get to the code" much faster, which > > > is great. > > > > I found something similar. I had spent some time (in the past) with > > Plone, then worked on DotNetNuke (was on that core team for a bit), > > then Rails (hobo for Rails actually looked promising). Massimo, I > > think, had similar experiences, and decided to roll his own - his > > motivation (and ability) coming from a few places, including using it > > to teach. I ran into Massimo at PyCon last year. Nice fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a few questions. > > > > > What is the best approach to do repetitive stuff. > > > In particular I mean code you want to run no matter what controller > > > have been invoked. > > > I want to create my own account system and on every "page" I need to > > > check: > > > - Has a user has logged in? > > > - What permissions does the logged in user have? > > > > > Do I really have to create a module which I need to import in every > > > controller > > > which then creates an instance of my Account class and passes the > > > session object to > > > that instance? > > > > If you look at any of Massimo's code, you'll see that t2 gets imported > > in the models - that's because the model gets executed first. You > > can see the layout of this in gluon/main.py - take a look at > > serve_controller() for the general sequence of running an app > > (serve_controller is called from wsgi_base() - which is called for a > > page request). > > > > > > > > > It would be great if there was a non-controller module which would be > > > automatically loaded > > > when a controller is used. I know global variables should be used > > > sparingly, but this approach > > > would make it easier to create globals for an application if you want > > > them. > > > > You can load your modules from your models files; note that the files > > in your application's models are executed in order, alphabetically - > > you can put your import / initialization statement in the "0.py" > > model (which is looked at first), your default "db.py" file, or any > > other model file you choose. > > > > I hope this is helpful. > > > > > > > > > Normally I write PHP code, which often has globals, so maybe I just > > > have the wrong ideas of > > > how to do things. So, any advice on this would be welcome. > > > > > === Plugins == > > > I just discovered the T2/T3 plugins. > > > Since T2 is not an application, it was a little confusing (at first) > > > how to use it. > > > I think it would be good if there could be a separate directory and > > > importer for plugins. This > > > way you could also show them in a different list than the > > > applications. > > > > This is a good idea. This summer (I think) we had some discussions > > on the difference between a module and a plugin (I argued that there > > is a fundamental and important difference in concept;). > > > > In any case, the idea of modules, plugins, and how web2py will > > ultimately handle that is still in the forming stages. > > > > As it currently is, modules (which are interchangeably called plugins > > - unfortunately) are by convention imported from your application's > > modules directory. This may likely change in the future, but that's > > the way it is now. I encourage you to share your ideas on this. > > > > > > > > > It would also be great if a plugin could include some documentation > > > that can be seen through > > > its design page. > > > > That's a really good idea. > > > > > > > > > Anyways, thanks for a great framework. > > > > I hope you find this a helpful, friendly user group (as I have). > > Thanks for writing, and welcome! > > > > Kind regards, > > Yarko > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
