Sorry, I thought I had -- it works like a champ.  Would be nice if there 
were a way to mark the signature fields as unindexed w/o having to recreate 
them (not as simple as cut and paste, as the table def uses a bunch of 
local definitions, but not hard), but definitely workable.  And lowers the 
index overhead a LOT; in my case, from 15K to <3K.

- Scott

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:12:52 AM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>
> can you let me know if it works as desired now?  if so, i'll submit the 
> patch to massimo for review and possible inclusion in the next release of 
> web2py.
>
> thanks,
>
> cfh
>
> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:31:52 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter wrote:
>>
>> With the latest patch, I was able to disable indices on the string fields 
>> I wanted to.  Unfortunately (for me), I've just about used up my quota, so 
>> I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how much doing so saves me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:50:29 PM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>
>>> here's an updated DAL patch to try.....
>>>
>>> thanks for trudging through this with us!
>>>
>>> cfh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:36:30 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm working from Version 2.3.2 (2012-12-17 15:03:30) stable
>>>>
>>>> Here's the table in question (I've commented-out the custom_qualifier 
>>>> for the string fields):
>>>>
>>>> db.define_table('t_run',
>>>>     Field('f_trial', type='reference t_trial',
>>>>           label=T('Trial')),
>>>>     Field('f_when', type='date',
>>>>           label=T('When')),
>>>>     Field('f_dog', type='reference t_dog',
>>>>           label=T('Dog')),
>>>>     Field('f_name', type='string',#custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Name')),
>>>>     Field('f_breed', type='string',#custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Breed')),
>>>>     Field('f_jump_height', type='integer',custom_qualifier={'indexed':
>>>> False},
>>>>           label=T('Jump Height')),
>>>>     Field('f_level', type='string',#custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Level')),
>>>>     Field('f_class', type='string',#custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Class')),
>>>>     Field('f_pref', type='boolean',custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Preferred')),
>>>>     Field('f_armband', type='string',
>>>> #custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Armband')),
>>>>     Field('f_yards', type='integer',custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Yards')),
>>>>     Field('f_sct', type='integer',custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('SCT')),
>>>>     Field('f_judge', type='string',#custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Judge')),
>>>>     Field('f_score', type='integer',custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Score')),
>>>>     Field('f_time', type='double',custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Time')),
>>>>     Field('f_faults', type='string',
>>>> #custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Faults')),
>>>>     Field('f_handler', type='string',
>>>> #custom_qualifier={'indexed':False},
>>>>           label=T('Handler')),
>>>>     Field('f_order', type='integer',
>>>>           label=T('Order')),
>>>>     auth.signature,
>>>>     format='%(f_key)s',
>>>>     migrate=settings.migrate)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S. Turning off the indexes DOES make a difference; with the changes 
>>>> above, instead of using up over 30% of my quota, I'm "only" using 23%.  If 
>>>> I can get the strings unindexed, and take out the web2py-supplied fields 
>>>> (created_by & _on, modified_by & _on, and maybe is_active), that should 
>>>> get 
>>>> it down to something manageable.  (Not clear on how to handle the 
>>>> web2py-supplied fields, as I don't know what parameters were using in 
>>>> making them, making it difficult to know just how to "supply my own 
>>>> definitions".)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:24:21 PM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> your line numbers are off from mine so i'm having trouble making sense 
>>>>> of this. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> can you send your model definition so i can see what you are working 
>>>>> with?  i think then i can line it up with the dal version i have here 
>>>>> (which was trunk from HG as of saturday AM PST)
>>>>>
>>>>> cfh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:18:13 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry about that.  I've fixed it, and now I get the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In FILE: /base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/
>>>>>> applications/ppt_demo/models/db_wizard.py
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/gluon/restricted.py"
>>>>>> , line 212, in restricted
>>>>>>     exec ccode in environment
>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/applications/ppt_demo/models/db_wizard.py"
>>>>>> , line 198, in <module>
>>>>>>     migrate=settings.migrate)
>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/gluon/dal.py",line
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 7189, in define_table
>>>>>>     table = self.lazy_define_table(tablename,*fields,**args)
>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/gluon/dal.py",line
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 7225, in lazy_define_table
>>>>>>     polymodel=polymodel)
>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365574604253984974/gluon/dal.py",line
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 4368, in create_table
>>>>>>     ftype = self.types[field_type](**attr)
>>>>>> TypeError: <lambda>() takes no arguments (1 given)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This only happens if one of the fields in question is a string; I get 
>>>>>> no error when the unindexed fields are all integer, boolean or double.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:04:12 AM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it looks like you have a typo.... "custom_qualifer" vs 
>>>>>>> "custom_qualifier"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 25, 2013 6:44:14 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I applied the patch, and added custom_qualifiers like so:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Field('f_name', type='string',custom_qualifer={'indexed':False
>>>>>>>> },
>>>>>>>>           label=T('Name')),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and this is the error I got:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In FILE: /base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365567821359373728/
>>>>>>>> applications/ppt_demo/models/db_wizard.py
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365567821359373728/gluon/restricted.py"
>>>>>>>> , line 212, in restricted
>>>>>>>>     exec ccode in environment
>>>>>>>>   File 
>>>>>>>> "/base/data/home/apps/s~sbhweb2py/1.365567821359373728/applications/ppt_demo/models/db_wizard.py"
>>>>>>>> , line 165, in <module>
>>>>>>>>     label=T('Name')),
>>>>>>>> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 
>>>>>>>> 'custom_qualifer'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:30:48 PM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is *completely* untested, but here's a proposal:
>>>>>>>>>  - use the (undocumented) field.custom_qualifier property in GAE 
>>>>>>>>> field definitions
>>>>>>>>>  - if you want a field to be unindexed set 
>>>>>>>>> custom_qualifier={'indexed':False}
>>>>>>>>>  - for "properties that don't get listed explicitly"....override 
>>>>>>>>> those default properties with what you want (there are a few 
>>>>>>>>> techniques for 
>>>>>>>>> not explicitly listing fields, depending on which technique you are 
>>>>>>>>> using 
>>>>>>>>> the answer here is different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this patch against HG trunk this AM might work (i say might cause 
>>>>>>>>> i have not tested it).  are you willing to experiment with it and let 
>>>>>>>>> us 
>>>>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> christian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 22, 2013 3:53:33 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I had to guess, I'd say a patch is needed in the loop over the 
>>>>>>>>>> fields in create_table, that would add a new entry to the dict for 
>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>> field definition based on a new attribute (which would be ignored 
>>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>>> anything other than Google's Datastore) which gets added to 
>>>>>>>>>> sql_fields; 
>>>>>>>>>> then migrate_table, which seems to build the table building/altering 
>>>>>>>>>> commands would need to be made to recognize the new entry & add the 
>>>>>>>>>> disable 
>>>>>>>>>> index command.  There's not a lot of comments in the code, and I'd 
>>>>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>>>>> afraid to break something, but might give it a try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Not sure of the best way to handle this (what's describe 
>>>>>>>>>> above wouldn't handle it), but it would be nice to be able to turn 
>>>>>>>>>> off the 
>>>>>>>>>> indexes for the fields that don't get listed explicitly in  
>>>>>>>>>> models.db 
>>>>>>>>>> (things like created by & when, modified by & when).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 22, 2013 6:14:28 PM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the link.  i'll try and take a look this weekend and 
>>>>>>>>>>> see if there is a place for that in the DAL  (feel free to open 
>>>>>>>>>>> gluon/dal.py yourself too).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> yup, i'm paying more for writes right now then i am for instance 
>>>>>>>>>>> hours per day on my largest paid application. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cfh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:59:06 PM UTC-8, Scott Hunter 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> According to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/datastore/indexes#Unindexed_Properties,
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> "You declare a property unindexed by setting indexed=False in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> property 
>>>>>>>>>>>> constructor".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One incurs the cost of a write (or 2?) for every property of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> record that gets written; so, for a table with about 25 fields 
>>>>>>>>>>>> (once you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> include all of the ones web2py adds), inserting 300 records incurs 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of 14K+ writes; as the free account has a limit of 50K writes per 
>>>>>>>>>>>> day, that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is rather limiting.  It is easy to turn such indicies back on, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you have 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to re-write every record in order to repopulate them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:51:59 PM UTC-5, howesc wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm being lazy here....do you have the instructions (or link 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to instructions) from GAE for disabling indexes?  i don't have it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can check if the DAL has a secret way to handle it, and/or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> create a patch to allow it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may i ask what advantage you are hoping to achieve by skipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those indexes?  i've left them on for fear of making a bad choice 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that i 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't revert.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> christian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:56:07 AM UTC-8, Scott Hunter 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, the GAE datastore will automatically 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create an index for every field of every table (to facilitate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> queries using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single fields); those requiring multiple fields also get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generated, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get added to index.yaml by the SDK when tested locally.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since these 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are created outside of the DAL, I wouldn't expect to be able to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove them 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it.  I also understand that there is a way, with the GAE 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK, to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disable the index for any given field (by a parameter in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition); is there any way to accomplish this through the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAL, and if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so, what is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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