I am looking at jQuery.js + underscore.js + reactive.js and I find everything I ever looked for. Seems much more flexible than Angular.js and I cannot see what I would be missing. What would I be missing? I just wish they shared the same namespace instead of $, _, Reactive.
On Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:40:58 UTC-5, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > > I have been using angular.js a lot but I find the controller pattern to be > too constraining. for example I cannot use promises outside the scope of a > controller. I also find that while easy for simple example is get easily > out of hands and I find myself having to revert to jQuery for lots of > stuff. Consider for example the case of opening/closing a panel when a > button is clicked. One can do this with angular but if you wish to add any > animation to the panel, you have to use jQuery. > > > > > On Monday, 12 May 2014 14:28:48 UTC-5, Michele Comitini wrote: >> >> How is angular.js compared to ractive.js inside web2py's ecosystem? >> What is your opinion? >> >> 2014-05-12 18:25 GMT+02:00 António Ramos <[email protected]>: >> > >> > I´m just in favor of angular to improve and modernize user experience. >> > In this matter router-ui seems very interesting also. >> > Also ng animate for animations. >> > >> > I dont understand how you relate directly data out of sync with angular >> and >> > not with web2py. >> > If new data on server, just publish it to the clients so all update >> it.Its a >> > web2py problem not angular. >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > António >> > >> > >> > 2014-05-12 16:59 GMT+01:00 weheh <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> Filtering and sorting can definitely save on http calls. Is there >> anything >> >> else you can think of where it's applicable without creating a synch >> issue >> >> in highly collaborative apps? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:37:07 PM UTC+8, Ramos wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I was not talking about hiding on click. I was thinking about >> filtering >> >>> with a live search box above the table. >> >>> Angular Filters and directives are awesome and once you know them you >> >>> cant stop thinking about them. >> >>> >> >>> I´m here to learn so feel free to pun me... >> >>> >> >>> :P >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2014-05-12 16:25 GMT+01:00 weheh <[email protected]>: >> >>> >> >>>> @Ramos: of course, I understand that Amber's script was necessarily >> >>>> limited, but it did highlight an important gotcha with this kind of >> >>>> scripting when used with web2py. And if all I wanted to do was hide >> a table >> >>>> entry on click, I wouldn't want to pay the penalty of loading >> AngularJS to >> >>>> do that. $(".target").hide() works fine. So I'm still looking for >> the angle >> >>>> where AngularJS fits (no pun intended, but happy to make the pun >> anyway). >> >>>> ;-) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 6:15:37 PM UTC+8, Ramos wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Amber was only focused in showing how easy it is to create a better >> >>>>> experience for the user using Angular than simple javascript. >> >>>>> Also a lot less code for us, developers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It was just a simple demo. Of course that if the app was real and >> to be >> >>>>> used by many, she could/should worry about keeping data in sync. >> >>>>> And angular could fetch ajax data just like web2py components.I see >> no >> >>>>> diference here. Its only a matter of taste. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I could as well say that using only web2py,if i have 1000 users and >> >>>>> everytime i need to hide a row in a table i need an http call, my >> server >> >>>>> will die soon with all requests.. and for this angular is a perfect >> fit. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2014-05-12 3:28 GMT+01:00 weheh <[email protected]>: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> +1 regarding the AngulaJS talk with web2py by Amber Doctor. Kudos >> to >> >>>>>> Amber for a talk well given! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I've been studying AngularJS a little and haven't written any >> code, >> >>>>>> yet, but my web Spidey sense is giving off alarms. I think Amber's >> talk >> >>>>>> underscores a potential danger of client-side MVC. First, correct >> me if I'm >> >>>>>> wrong, but there's nothing in AngularJS that you can't already do >> in web2y >> >>>>>> using components. The difference is that Angular does it client >> side without >> >>>>>> needing to make an http call, so it potentially runs faster. And >> AngularJS >> >>>>>> seems to have a more compact way of doing things we do in jQuery >> with >> >>>>>> _onclick="blah blah blah" and other such >> ajax("url",["target"],":eval"); or >> >>>>>> web2py_component(...) stuff. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The danger highlighted by Amber's example is that Angular makes it >> >>>>>> much easier to create a client-side model that gets out of synch >> with its >> >>>>>> server-side web2py model. And keeping them in synch violates DRY >> principles, >> >>>>>> requiring the http calls that you would have had to do anyway if >> you did a >> >>>>>> web2py-component-only approach. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> For instance, if Amber's talk had been about a collaborative >> recipe >> >>>>>> app and someone was updating the recipe database serverside while >> somebody >> >>>>>> else was perusing the db clientside, then it would be easy for the >> >>>>>> clientside user to get an out of date recipe and stay ignorant of >> that fact >> >>>>>> for a very long time. That's because the local copy of the data is >> fetched >> >>>>>> only once when the recipe is first clicked, assuming I understood >> her app >> >>>>>> correctly. Further exiting and entering the recipe would not do an >> http >> >>>>>> call, whereas the web2py component approach would naturally force >> an http >> >>>>>> call, thereby keeping the user in synch. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> AngularJS seems to offer nifty, high-performance clientside >> business >> >>>>>> logic ability. But unless structured carefully, it's not clear >> that it'll >> >>>>>> save http calls without endangering synch between client and >> server. And it >> >>>>>> could introduce even more complexity in terms of debugging and >> verbosity in >> >>>>>> terms of supporting two MVCs for the same app. The thought of that >> makes me >> >>>>>> wince. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Anybody else have an opinion about this? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Resources: >> >>>>>> - http://web2py.com >> >>>>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> >>>>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> >>>>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> >>>>>> --- >> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>>> Groups "web2py-users" group. >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Resources: >> >>>> - http://web2py.com >> >>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> >>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> >>>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> >>>> --- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> Groups "web2py-users" group. >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >>>> an email to [email protected]. >> >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Resources: >> >> - http://web2py.com >> >> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> >> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> >> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> >> --- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "web2py-users" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> >> email to [email protected]. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Resources: >> > - http://web2py.com >> > - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) >> > - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) >> > - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "web2py-users" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- Resources: - http://web2py.com - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation) - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code) - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. 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