Your points are valid snfctech. The presentation I gave the other night to a group of django developers, most of them had heard about web2py and stopped using it because they "thought" they had to use the built in editor/shell.
Most people when looking for a framework don't read past the first line before making a decision. Maybe somebody who has the skills in "designing" could make a web 2.0 web2py site that gets the info out there really simply. -Thadeus On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:54 PM, snfctech <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, that makes sense. And if it doesn't produce a bunch of tickets > which distract developers, then great. > > I guess I would just include a little more up-front explanation in the > book or elsewhere so more experienced developers don't get > distracted. Such as <bold>Feel free to use your favorite shell and > text editor instead of the admin!</bold> or <bold>The db designer is > experimental and will not generate full-featured DAL code</bold> > > But, maybe I'm a minority - web2py is so new to my PHP/MVC head that > I'm almost willing to give up my cherished BASH and VIM if there were > a good argument for it. > > On Feb 12, 9:44 am, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote: >> You do not have to use it. I rarely use it. It is not hard to maintain >> (the code is very small). I found it very useful in two occasions: >> >> 1) access a server remotely when no ssh available. It has happened >> that a bug showed up during a presentation using a machine not mine >> and I was able to inspect the code in real time, fix in in the browser >> and people where impressed. >> >> 2) I use web2py for teaching. More than 50% of the undergrads and >> grads when you say "open a shell" they answer "shell what?". I have >> had students in CS asking me questions like "ever you have heard of >> this thing called Linux? What is it exactly?" or "which editor is >> required for your advanced network programming class?". Mind that this >> is a minority of people. Most of the students are bright and learn >> fast. Still my intent with web2py is not to serve only the brightest >> ones. >> >> Massimo >> >> On Feb 12, 11:35 am, snfctech <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I'm just getting started with web2py and I must say - I love the >> > code. Adding validation logic with the DAL and building forms on the >> > fly with the CRUD helper is awesome. >> >> > That said, I don't understand the point of the admin interface - >> > especially the online database designer and the editor. The online >> > database designer doesn't generate 'upload' types (and I imagine other >> > DAL specific syntax, as well). And the editor is too weak for any >> > serious coding. >> >> > So why does this extra fluff exist at all, as it will require >> > resources to maintain and enhance? Not to mention it adds more >> > unnecessary options for new users wondering about best practices for >> > web2py development. This doesn't seem in keeping with "there should >> > be one obvious way to do it." >> >> > The only thing I can think of why things like the editor and designer >> > exist at all is to promote the "full stack" idea. But is it really >> > worth the effort to include sub-standard tools in the stack which you >> > will have to abandon anyway once you start serious development work? >> >> > Thanks in advance for helping me to understand the reasoning here. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en.
