I totally understand. As a student that has seen some student cheat when
I failed the class, I certainly don't like the idea in that perspective.
But we don't turn off the internet when there are viruses. I say we
provide a reporting system to find these idiots rather than just keep
letting them pass by. Not sure the best way to implement it, but I
think it could be done.
BR,
Jason
On Sun, 2010-05-23 at 20:20 -0700, mdipierro wrote:
> Getafreelancer is what some of my students use to get their homework
> done. Does not resonate very well with me. :-(
>
> Massimo
>
> On May 23, 10:15 pm, Álvaro Justen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 20:18, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I have some problems:
> >
> > > 1) people ask me to contribute to more projects that I can handle.
> > > 2) I am good at kicking off a project (20% of the work) but I am not
> > > the best person to bring it to production (the other 80%) of the work.
> > > 3) I want to delegate some of these projects to users I trust. I need
> > > to better keep track of you, the users, your skills and interests.
> >
> > > You and I have some problems in common:
> > > 1) you are an individual or you own a small consulting company and
> > > you find hard to compete for large projects
> > > 2) you want to use web2py but you need to sell web2py before you can
> > > sell yoru services.
> > > 3) you need legal help (sample non-disclosure agreement, sample
> > > contracts, etc.)
> > > 4) for large projects you need to find people who can help you with
> > > development (you man need a designer, a coder, a system administrator,
> > > a GAE expert, etc).
> > > 5) you want somebody else to handle advertising for you
> >
> > > I want to help. I want to help you find development jobs, network, and
> > > compete for larger projects by providing some assistance.
> >
> > > I am about to create something like an association of web2py
> > > professionals with a portal that provides web sites for members,
> > > repository of legal forms, job posting, progress tracking, feedback
> > > forms, etc. Here is the basic idea: we do not advertise web2py, we
> > > advertise the association and its members. you find a client? you keep
> > > all the money. You want to offer your client long term support or code
> > > review? the association will sell that to the client directly
> > > directly. You want to be listed as a member? Follow a code of conduct
> > > (basically use approved tools and ask your clients to review your work
> > > publicly). You already have a consulting company or an employer? You
> > > can have the company listed as an associate under some conditions.
> >
> > > We can turn our group into a large international consulting
> > > organization overnight. There would be no contract between the
> > > association and you other than a code of conduct that you will have to
> > > follow to be listed and that I am about to wrote. You can continue to
> > > work as an individual or with your existing company. The association
> > > will just help when you need help.
> >
> > > The association may also partner with some member to provide venture
> > > capital in the form of code development (and perhaps money but not
> > > immediately) for specific projects submitted to the association, in
> > > exchange of shares.
> >
> > > I have already incorporated to do this. This will be independent and
> > > complementary form web2py itself and web2py would not be the only tool
> > > in the association approved toolkit.
> >
> > > For now the toolkit will include: web2py, ubuntu, postgresql, jquery,
> > > and google app engine. You as an individual or a company can provide
> > > services based on other tools but the association will endorse these
> > > tools because we can easily find people skilled in them and you, as a
> > > member, will be required to endorse these tools as good tools and
> > > demonstrate your skills in some of them (not all of them).
> >
> > > web2py is a tool. We will all outlive web2py. But we have created
> > > something important here. A community of skilled professional that
> > > share some experience. I want to see this grow with web2py and beyond
> > > web2py later. I want to see us compete with large consulting
> > > companies. I want to do it using a new business model in which there
> > > are no shareholders to take a cut of your work since they would not be
> > > providing any means of production to you (you already own a laptop and
> > > that is your office), yet I want to provide the other benefits that a
> > > large corporation can offer (a single image, consistency,
> > > reliability).
> >
> > > Not sure if there should be an admission criteria. I could use your
> > > feedback about this.
> >
> > > Comments? Thought? You do not have to commit to anything now but who
> > > is interested?
> >
> > I'm very interested on this.
> > What about integrate this system with third-party ones? Like
> > getafreelancer, oDesk etc. So we don't need to start 'from scratch'
> > when dealing with trusting a programmer or not.
> > Please, let me know what I can do to help.
> >
> > --
> > Álvaro Justen - Turicas
> > http://blog.justen.eng.br/
> > 21 9898-0141
