Massimo,

Appreciate your comments.

As mentioned by you, web2py has packaged all the functionality needed  by a 
web app in a single api, and I am finding this very interesting. This 
certainly allows one to create a web app pretty fast.

The only remaining question is that how easy is it to pull apart things and 
modify them as needed. As I understand web2py will certainly speed up my 
development. However when I need flexibility will I still be easily able to 
change defaults and tweak things ? ( something that loosely couple 
frameworks provide over full stack frameworks)

Thanks,
Murtaza

On Saturday, July 7, 2012 1:26:34 AM UTC+5:30, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>
> As pointed out what I said is that I would pick ROR of "most" python 
> frameworks.
>
> In general I prefer to program in Python rather then  Ruby. Indentation 
> makes the code more readable and there are more libraries. Ruby is used in 
> Rails but not much else. Python is used for all kind of things (think about 
> numpy, blender, pyglet, etc.).
>
> Yet Ruby is better designed than most Python framework because if favors 
> convention over configuration. Most Python frameworks instead follow the 
> Python motto "explicit is better the implicit" and the authors despise the 
> concept of "default behaviour" which they refer to as "magic". This means 
> that even very simple simple such as serving a static file require a fair 
> amount of programing. Moreover, as a corollary, most frameworks come in 
> pieces. Ever piece has a name and its own marketing people. This exposes 
> the visibility of the component but it means you have to separately find 
> and install the components you need, learn their api and make sure they are 
> compatible with your own version of the code.
>
> In web2py we tried to copied the RoR approach (everything has a 
> configuration) and we try to package and maintain as many components as 
> possible into the same code base (API for authentication, scheduler, cron, 
> PDF printing, SOAP services, WIKI markup, syntax highlighting, etc.). 
> Moreover we do not rely on third party modules (only on Python standard 
> libraries). 99% of what you may want to can be done with basic web2py 
> without needing external packages. This means the apps are very portable 
> between one installation and another.
>
> The main difference between web2py and other frameworks in practice is not 
> soo much in the its API (which more or less are the same for all 
> frameworks) but for what web2py does for you on the management site: no 
> packages to install, manage through the web interface, no shell programming 
> unless you want to, automatic migrations.
>
> Massimo
>
>
>
> On Friday, 6 July 2012 00:58:36 UTC-5, murtaza52 wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am considering three frameworks for developing our commercial 
>> applications- 
>>
>> 1) web2py (choice #1)
>> 2) ROR
>> 3) Play framework
>>
>> While my research I was intrigued by Massimo's post where he says that he 
>> would pick ROR over any of the current python frameworks. My question is 
>> how does web2py itself compare to ROR ? What are the views of those 
>> experienced with both the ecosystems ? 
>>
>> http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/209343
>>
>> I have expereince with none so will rely on your answers :) The purpose 
>> of the question is not to start a flame war, but to understand why should 
>> web2py be chose over other frameworks which have much more traction today?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Murtaza
>>
>>

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