I do think that we should also be considering what the responders are doing --
eg. do you work mostly on the core engine (WebCore, JSC, etc) vs. platform
specific engine work (eg.
WebCore/platform/graphics/{cg,cairo,skia,backendofdoom}) vs. WebKit API stuff
vs. release branching, etc
I think it would be worth tracking these differences for a number of reasons
* There are a number of reviewers who don't do substantial amounts of work
directly in the repo anymore, longterm apple and google contributors who no
longer work exclusively on webkit (on that note do we want to have some kind of
reviewer expiration?)
* Fairly elitist, but surely the opinion of people who work on core engine tech
should have more say than people working on the periphery: core engine work
benefits _everyone_ so I feel more weight should be given there
* The needs of a contributor are fairly strongly influenced by what they're
doing -- people working on build release branches, etc frequently want to do
the sorts of things that git is far better at than svn, but people just working
on single monolithic patches seem to prefer svn.
* A problem we these kinds of survey is that they are inherently biased in
favour of people who want change, people who don't tend to ignore them - I had
basically been ignoring this thread because it was going on and on and on
without actually adding any new information over the last git vs. svn debate,
had done nothing to change my mind, etc - i feel that I am not alone in this
kind of mental exhaustion (see
http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/post/19019677135/webkit-dev-this-week)
Finally: I use git-svn, it allows me to do everything that I want to do that
git is meant to be good at, so I'm not sure why people keep saying that the
choice is between sticking with svn, or making everyone switch to git. My
counter argument to "git-svn is slow so we should all use git" is "git-svn is
slow and this annoys me so i'm going to contribute patches to git to fix that".
--Oliver
On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>
> I will also post the results split out by contribution level once the survey
> closes.
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
>> Direct link to results:
>> http://kwiksurveys.com/results-overview.php?surveyID=LODHNK_f6f04dad&mode=4
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I made a bad choice of survey site. They want to charge me to see more than
>>> 100 responses or to export the data, but they won't take my money. Sadness.
>>> Please try this survey instead, it will run through the 17th.
>>>
>>> http://kwiksurveys.com?s=LODHNK_f6f04dad
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Maciej
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Maciej Stachowiak <m...@apple.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately SurveyMonkey sucks and I can't give everyone access to live
>>>>> responses without paying them money. Current results:
>>>>>
>>>>> - 97 people have answered
>>>>> - About 67% use Git only (this has been consistent throughout the survey)
>>>>> - Aabout 20% use Subversion only
>>>>> - About 13% use Git and Subversion
>>>>> - No one checked "Other"
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as contribution levels of the responders:
>>>>>
>>>>> - 37% are WebKit reviewers
>>>>> - 25% are WebKit committers
>>>>> - 25% are WebKit contributors (but presumably not committers or reviewers
>>>>> yet)
>>>>> - 13% are not WebKit contributors
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we see the breakdown of git/svn users among reviewers & committers?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not certain if it's really useful to consider votes casted by
>>>>> non-contributors here since we're presumably not trying to decide which
>>>>> version control system is more popular in general public.
>>>>
>>>> I would indeed like to get the contributor-only (and
>>>> reviewer/committer-only) statistics, but I'm having trouble upgrading to
>>>> the "pro" account that would enable this. I'll post the data once I have
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I do think it is somewhat interesting to find out what non-contributors
>>>> who nontheless check out source are using to access the WebKit repository.
>>>> The fact that so many people use Git says to me that our basic checkout
>>>> instructions should include the relevant git instructions as an
>>>> alternative. SVN instructions are on the main site at
>>>> <http://www.webkit.org/building/checkout.html> but Git instructions are
>>>> buried in the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Maciej
>>>>
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