Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06

Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:03:12 -0700

Subject: Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06 
Date: August 25, 2006 10:55:38 PM CDT

Hello! :)


I think I got the worse time to learn WebObjects. All the tutorials in the Apple Web Site are referring to deprecated apps like EOModeler, and most of the books out there talk about them too.


The tools are deprecated but you can still use them.  The vast majority of information out there though still applies.


I do not think Apple would convert iTunes Music Store and Apple website away from WebObjects. I do not know if there is any indication of it. I do not think Apple will also relay on WOLips to develop its WO solutions (iTMS+Apple Store).


From what I know Apple's in house people use Eclipse (I maybe wrong but I don't think so)


Can someone tell me if WebObjects is dying? I think people who signed any NDA agreement can answer that question.


Apple made a statement.  They are only deprecating the tool chain in favor of open source alternatives.  They are also opening all of their specifications to make it easier to code the open source alternatives.


I know Steve Jobs and Oracle's CEO has very good relationships and I would hate to see that after I learn WebObjects they announce it is dead.


I don't think WO Is going anywhere.  Learning any ORM is worth doing just to open your mind on how things work.


I mean I could spend the time learning another technology.


I've spent time learning RoR, TurboGears and WO.  Everything is worth learning for one reason or another but WO doesn't look to be going anywhere.


About the thinksecret post I found something a little disturbing... Is it real the WebObjects team at Apple is as large as 4 people?


I think that shows how powerful the framework is that it only requires a small amount of people to develop some very powerful apps.


I have read in this list almost all of the current Apple tools to develop WebObjects are deprecated. How come 4 people can make a new Java-based Web Object Development environment in reasonable time frame? Is it possible?


See above.

I love Apple technologies, but it is very tough decision for a new WO comer to buy books, start training and read tutorials and documentation about a technology which tools  are deprecated. Can someone give a breath of relief?


There is quite a bit of documentation on the tools and WO in general. Check out the links below.


And something I do not understand, if Apple is committed to WO, Why did not show the new tools first and then deprecate the old ones?


Apple isn't releasing new tools they are just opening the specs up and deprecating the old tools.

Most people agree that Xcode was a very poor Java environment.  Both Eclipse and IntelliJ have WO support and are excellent Java environments.


Have fun! ;)

-dustin

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