You're completely correct that most (all?) publishing systems have this problem. And I think you (and others) are right that inserting special placeholder HTML is not a big problem. But as I asked to another responder:
When the designer adds a new page, what process takes place after that? Does a programmer need to be involved (assuming that the new page is dynamic, but only uses existing WO components)? Does the application need to be rebuilt and deployed again? Also, I think you're right on when talking about the whole "HTML" thing. Unfortunately, that's the way things are right now. So finding tools to deal with it is the problem at hand. CSS is nice too, but ultimately doesn't help for structural layout (at least without also changing the underlying HTML "data"). Admittedly, layout may change less frequently than text on the page. But it still does change. On 3/29/07, Robert Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think it's also noteworthy to mention that WO is not unique in this at all. You would have exactly the same issues with anything based on J2EE. JSPs are not dissimilar to WO Templates. Even some scripting solutions like Ruby on Rails are not immune from this. You're still going to have programmer specific custom tags within the UI that a pure web designer will have to work around. I personally think the real problem is not that HTML is for designers, but that designers are having to deal with HTML "code." If the web was build by designers instead of programmers then designers would not ever see the HTML code. Designers working in Adobe InDesign never see, or care anything about, how InDesign keeps track of formatting text and graphics on a page, nor should they. On the contrary a UI programmer cares very much about how the system organizes windows and views within those windows. They need to know specifically how to interact with those objects from within their code. So this is not IMHO a failure in any way of WebObjects or any other solution, it's a failure of the basic design of the Web in general. So we do the best we can by building good communication and cross training between coders and designer to work around this fundamental flaw. CSS is helping, but it's still to much for the programmer and not enough for the designer, this is getting better all the time as the design tools improve. A Web build by the likes of Adobe would have made it a much difference place than it is today. Designer wouldn't be dealing with code and there would be a much more distinct divide between web "pages" and web "applications." On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Webobjects Developer wrote: Using WO, how does one separate the web designer from the programmer? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/webobjects.dev%40gmail.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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