On 22.02.2008, at 16:28, Mr. Pierre Frisch wrote:
I disagree on this one. Embedding frameworks enables you to be independent of the version of WebObjects installed on the target machine. Considering the cost of disk drive (<1$/Gb) 10Mb is a negligible it is save you debug time. Even the upload time is very small if you tar your application before uploading.
Hmmm. Uploading about 270 megs more over a cable connection for every deployment is negligable? This would be the estimated difference for me embedding all (including the WO frameworks) frameworks in each application. A full deploy here would mean ten applications, WO frameworks and Wonder and a lot of external Jars included in any of them.
And I don't have any benefit from that, because *I know for sure* that the WO frameworks installed on the deployment environment are the same I have on my local dev machine. And we do deployments fairly often. It might be okay for you as you are probably on a pretty fast company network. ;-) I am not as I normally do deployments in the evening from home over a fairly slow cable connection.
Don't get me wrong, this is not about disk space which I normally have enough on the app server, this is about totally unnecessary redundancy in my set up. And I bet this is similarly true for a lot of WO developers.
What I really see is the benefit of embedding "changing" frameworks with each app, as this has the advantage that you can deploy different apps with different versions of the frameworks. It all depends on the requirements and from what I have seen in the past, the need to embed the own frameworks is often given, but the need for embedding the WO frameworks was never there. But this might start now as nearly everybody still uses WO 5.3 and Leopard comes with 5.4 AND the updates are not independent. Or are they?
Let's put it that way: there might be situations where it makes sense, but I doubt that these situations are very common.
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