"Even Apple have dodgy bits of PHP bolted on to their web site.http://is.gd/1i8tH Still, got to be better than WebObjects, right?"

I find that kind of comments at least 3 times per week :-/
Most of the people on twitter don't even know what apps are and aren't WebObjects (nor what WebObjects even IS, for that matter) ... Go do a search -- they bitch about the iPhone developer forum, for instance, which is JSP/Servlet.

<IMO>What it comes down to is that software is hard, and most apps suck, regardless of the framework you use. Making an app scale in WO is hard. Making an app scale in Rails is hard. WO/EOF have some great concepts, but it's not like it's immune from scaling problems, the problems are just different. I think Rails probably lets you get a simple-to-medium app up more easy, WO lets you get a medium-to-big app up more easily, and both of them have problems > "big," just in different ways. The question is whether we can make the WO experience for "simple-to-medium" competitive, which it just isn't right now (a combination of lots of factors, all solvable).</IMO>

ms

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