+1 Jeremy:
I'm just a guy reading messages and I took it as true that you may not be maintaining the installer anymore. Obviously, you're completely capable of keeping the installer working and it benefits the community if you do. A bullet proof all-in-one installer is really beneficial. I don't think anyone meant anything as an indictment of your work. I do think the organizational observations are good ones - making everything downloadable directly from the wiki or some other central site. I like Kieran's idea of putting the code for (whatever) installers under version control for community contribution - might even help keep it versioned for different OS X versions. Tim Worman UCLA GSE&IS On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Joe Little wrote: > Let me apologize for the group, and hope you stay with us a little longer. We > all tend to use the mailing list as the official conduit of communications > and forget that direct email may be preferred when reporting a problem for > some. Worse yet, bringing up such issues over a weekend can be a recipe for > more disastrous fun. The only bit I agree on is making it even more obvious > to new users whatever the group preffered methods are. Anything to limit > confusion is _usually_ best. > > On Dec 6, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Jeremy Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Clearly broken, eh? >> I suppose after seeing more than a dozen messages no one thought of actually >> talking to me? >> Sigh...so many assumptions, so little meaningful conversation.... >> >> I'm not sure what the issue is, since we test it routinely, and this is the >> first time we've heard in MONTHS that there was a problem. And now there's >> talk of abandoning it entirely - within an hour. >> Nice. >> >> So, seems everyone wants to talk AROUND me and not TO me, let me make a few >> things clear: >> 1) I regularly test and maintain the installer. >> 2) Whenever we hear there is an issue we FIX it. Usually pretty damn fast. >> Ask around. >> 3) I do not build WO Apps _ROUTINTELY_ anymore - this does not mean I care >> less about the tools or the installer, or the great people in the community. >> I still develop too, I just don't advertise it. Usually the opposite since >> there are tons of talented people here. >> >> That being said, if someone wants to take the installer over, fine by me. >> I've had fun working with some really cool people, and being able to create >> something a lot of people thanked me for. >> >> I've been fortunate to work with this great community, and am sincerely >> thankful for that. But...if people will not communicate with me, then there >> is nothing I can do (to help this community). I wish everyone the absolute >> best of luck. >> >> So long, and thanks for all the fish! >> >> -jeremy >> >> P.S. - There have a been more than a few people along the way who said they >> owed me a beer. If I see you at WWDC, I'll be collecting those! >> >> >> ##### >> I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what the >> initial installation and setup procedure would be like for a complete >> newbie on SL, I looked on the wiki for instructions for the simplest >> possible path to new installation on a virgin Snow Leopard. >> >> It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and would >> probably struggle. :-( >> >> >> After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and then >> installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from >> Jeremy's .mac page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses with >> an est time of 1 day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an error when >> launching Eclipse after running Jeremy's installer. >> " An Error has occurred" >> " See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log" >> >> That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages. >> >> Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this now .... >> I am doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the manual way. >> >> Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In One) >> installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow Leopard >> box, we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one installer and >> just go write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick Start Guide" for >> newbies .......so I started a wiki page on this and will work on >> completing it as I get time. Any thoughts on that? Should I wipe all >> references on the wiki to the AIO? >> >> If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we need to >> have a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should be >> comfortable on the command line, so maybe a bash install script that >> downloads and installs various bits and configures everything might be >> the better route. Any opinions on that? >> >> BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that a >> newbie would want standard install paths, I set the WOInstaller.jar >> target as "/", but got an error saying System directory already >> exists. Should the WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class be changed to just >> overwrite existing files? Does that "overlay" directory paths (aka >> merge eith existing files if named differently, or does it realyl >> "replace" existing directories (ie., wiping them out)? >> >> Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before I >> leave off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting started" for >> now and go do some work. >> >> Regards, Kieran >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. 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