K, Far as I remember, the bug you mentioned was due to that magical properties file not being created. Weird Eclipse behavior that is a little difficult to reproduce. A while back I actually included a script to fix this for all users, but it did end up in the installer throwing an error at the end (even though it worked completely fine - just an apple thing). It confused folks, so I removed it.
I have an idea on how to fix this...so I'll have to hack a small app for it that executes on the postinstall script. Think Divx Installer. Blech...but works. Or I could roll it into the management app that I work on sometimes....not ready for public consumption yet. I mentioned on an earlier email, but there is a single component that I cannot re-share without permission. A _very_nice_ component that someone here helped me get...I'll mention it to him and see what can be done there. As far as everything else, I was more concerned that upset that no one bothered to talk to me. Maybe I see email lists in a different way. Maybe I lurk too much. Who knows. For now, until the future is determined here....anyone who has an issue send me a bug report. The notes from your system.log will probably suffice, along with some system info...I actually have an app for that I use with clients. I'll work on that. Thanks, j Only 2 beers? Seriously? They better be damn good beers....just kidding. On Dec 6, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > Jeremy, > > Aarrrgghhh - what have I done?!! ....... Jeremy, let me apologize sincerely!! > ..... my intention is not to slight you! .... my wife would call this a > moment of me having SMS*! > > I was being presumptuous when I assumed that it was not right for me/anyone > to ask you to fix/maintain this installer, which in reality is the perfect > solution if it is kept up to date with environment changes. > > So please let us take a step back from the precipice, and if you accept my > apology, and if you are still interested in maintaining it, I will be more > than happy to keep a virgin environment of SL lying around that can be cloned > for me to test the AIO installer for you. > > I have not worked with apple installers before.... if it is pretty easy and > if your aim was to share some of the maintenance effort, we could set up a > googlecode svn repo and I and a couple of other interested devs could help > maintain it with guidance from you initially (even creating a svn branch for > the last release on outgoing OS's like Leopard). > > Alternatively, I can provide details of the current functional issues and if > you are willing to make those fixes, I will test them on a virgin Snow > Leopard. Jeremy, please let me know if you are still willing to update > it...... I would be more than happy to collaborate. > > Again, apologies if I offended you by not talking to you directly about the > problem, > > If I meet you at WOWODC, I now owe you at least 2 beers, one for your efforts > on the installer and one for unintentionally offending you :-) > > Regards, Kieran > > *SMS: Women may get PMS, but men (and I speak for myself!) tend to > periodically (often?) get SMS (Stupid Man Syndrome!) .... aka "putting mouth > in motion before putting brain into gear"! > > On Dec 6, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote: > >> Clearly broken, eh? >> I suppose after seeing more than a dozen messages no one thought of actually >> talking to me? >> Sigh...so many assumptions, so little meaningful conversation.... >> >> I'm not sure what the issue is, since we test it routinely, and this is the >> first time we've heard in MONTHS that there was a problem. And now there's >> talk of abandoning it entirely - within an hour. >> Nice. >> >> So, seems everyone wants to talk AROUND me and not TO me, let me make a few >> things clear: >> 1) I regularly test and maintain the installer. >> 2) Whenever we hear there is an issue we FIX it. Usually pretty damn fast. >> Ask around. >> 3) I do not build WO Apps _ROUTINTELY_ anymore - this does not mean I care >> less about the tools or the installer, or the great people in the community. >> I still develop too, I just don't advertise it. Usually the opposite since >> there are tons of talented people here. >> >> That being said, if someone wants to take the installer over, fine by me. >> I've had fun working with some really cool people, and being able to create >> something a lot of people thanked me for. >> >> I've been fortunate to work with this great community, and am sincerely >> thankful for that. But...if people will not communicate with me, then there >> is nothing I can do (to help this community). I wish everyone the absolute >> best of luck. >> >> So long, and thanks for all the fish! >> >> -jeremy >> >> P.S. - There have a been more than a few people along the way who said they >> owed me a beer. If I see you at WWDC, I'll be collecting those! >> >> >> ##### >> I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what the >> initial installation and setup procedure would be like for a complete >> newbie on SL, I looked on the wiki for instructions for the simplest >> possible path to new installation on a virgin Snow Leopard. >> >> It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and would >> probably struggle. :-( >> >> >> After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and then >> installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from >> Jeremy's .mac page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses with >> an est time of 1 day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an error when >> launching Eclipse after running Jeremy's installer. >> " An Error has occurred" >> " See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log" >> >> That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages. >> >> Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this now .... >> I am doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the manual way. >> >> Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In One) >> installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow Leopard >> box, we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one installer and >> just go write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick Start Guide" for >> newbies .......so I started a wiki page on this and will work on >> completing it as I get time. Any thoughts on that? Should I wipe all >> references on the wiki to the AIO? >> >> If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we need to >> have a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should be >> comfortable on the command line, so maybe a bash install script that >> downloads and installs various bits and configures everything might be >> the better route. Any opinions on that? >> >> BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that a >> newbie would want standard install paths, I set the WOInstaller.jar >> target as "/", but got an error saying System directory already >> exists. Should the WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class be changed to just >> overwrite existing files? Does that "overlay" directory paths (aka >> merge eith existing files if named differently, or does it realyl >> "replace" existing directories (ie., wiping them out)? >> >> Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before I >> leave off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting started" for >> now and go do some work. >> >> Regards, Kieran >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. 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