If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from 
~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.

:-)


On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:

> How about making it a preference in the installer, something like: 
> 
> a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
> b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
> 
> This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens 
> will be spared.
> 
> -ck
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> 
>> Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, 
>> I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with 
>> respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at 
>> this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good 
>> ........ with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in 
>> /Applications.
>> 
>> Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and 
>> curly brace placement?
>> 
>> ms
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a 
>>> little evil in all of us). 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag <msch...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin 
>>>> user, either of which is kind of evil.
>>>> 
>>>> ms
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single 
>>>>> problem with permissions.  I think that is a non-issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher <kelleh...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> David,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering 
>>>>> that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life 
>>>>> easy for.....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent 
>>>>> permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Kieran
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. 
>>>>> > Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up 
>>>>> > and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? 
>>>>> > Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can 
>>>>> > move it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself into....heh.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do 
>>>>> >> ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -j
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and 
>>>>> >>>> forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to 
>>>>> >>>> my home directory instead.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home 
>>>>> >>>> directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
>>>>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ms
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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