MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 
1980s?).

C and C++ have been around for how long?
And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that 
are still in production.

Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production?
Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs?

And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying 
foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there.

Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: 
Mature).
If  you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be useful 
for a very long time.

Joel
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:

> OK, how about non-mainframe technology :)
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote:
> 
>> COBOL :-p ?
>> 
>> David B.
>> 
>> Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit :
>> 
>>> How is that a horror?  Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 
>>> 5 years, forget about 20! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Can't remember the exact years but:
>>>> 
>>>> 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box
>>>> 
>>>> and then the horror began:
>>>> 
>>>> Operating Systems:
>>>> - NeXTstep on several plattforms
>>>> - OpenStep
>>>> - Black Hardware dies
>>>> - YellowBox (anyone remenber?)
>>>> - YellowBox died
>>>> - Next buys apple
>>>> 
>>>> WO:
>>>> 
>>>> - Started with WO 3.5
>>>> - WebScript dies
>>>> - Objective-C dies (I think 2001)
>>>> - Last Windows Version WO 5.2
>>>> 
>>>> Now: Announcement  OS X JVM will die
>>>> 
>>>> I think we will survive that too!
>>>> 
>>>> Stefan
>>>> 
>>>> Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My 2 cents:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Relax, don't panic,  There is always a way forward. Look at the positive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here 
>>>>> developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on "Mac OS XI Cobra"  ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Kieran
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments 
>>>>>> until he responds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But what do you think of CocoaWO now
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev 
>>>>>> app tied to Cocoa.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 
>>>>>>>> =p
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That was my thought as well, I swear :p
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Paulo "JCranky" Siqueira
>>>>>>>> Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/
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