On 15/01/2011, at 2:12 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

> I'm all for Q's approach, too. For me, Ivy is the part of Maven that isn't so 
> bad. You get the dependency management without all the other stuff on top.

And, of course, you can interpret 'all the other stuff on top' in one of two 
ways:
a) negatively, which seems to be the way this particular community keeps the 
myth going that it'll be too much pain. (Perhaps certain people have a 
hang-over from maven 1?).
b) positively, as meaning all the additional benefits maven provides and with 
less pain overall.

I found the latter to be true. :) Having everything is configured in your pom 
file(s) and thus in version control (rather than requiring external configs on 
differing environments), dependency management, proper build lifecycles (with 
testing, integration testing etc), convention over configuration, lots of handy 
plugins easily adapted. It's definitely worth a serious look.

with regards,
-

Lachlan Deck

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