On Jun 12, 2011, at 3:18 PM, P Teeson wrote:

> My situation is this: MacOS X 10.6.7 Xcode 3.2.6 MacPro dual 2.66Ghz 
> "Nehalem" quads, developing on Mac since 1984.
> 
> But I've never had to do anything in WO, although I looked into it a few 
> years ago out of curiosity. 
> I'm now being asked to investigate some issues for a major organisation that 
> is having issues with an existing WO app. (see more below).
> 
> Is there a website similar to CocoaDev or CocoaBuilder or the like where I 
> can easily search through the list archives versus bothering this list? Some 
> of the questions I am seeking asnwers to (after doing some homework by 
> reading and Googling) are these:
> 
> (1) WO is an application server now ported from Obj-C to Java and made to run 
> on the server version of MacOS X. Correct?

Yes, this happened a long long time ago.  Or client versions, or any Linux OS 
variant.
> 
> (2) The development tools are no longer Xcode based but are Eclipse based. 
> Correct? 
>      So the Leopard Xcode WO SDK is of no use for development. Correct?
> 
Yes, this is correct.  The WOLips plugin for Eclipse is very very good.

> (3) The client presently has a PPC Tiger server with WO connecting to a Sun 
> server running Oracle (don't yet know versions)
>      If they get new HW how can they upgrade to WO for Snow Leopard server? 
> Or is that possible?
> 
This depends on the code base that your client has.

> (4) It's my understanding that WO is now free for the asking/downloading. Is 
> that true? Where? How?
> 
Apple Developer. 

> (5) What about Lion? I am guessing that the server version of Lion will run 
> WO? Correct?
>      Because isn't it true that Apple uses it for their various online 
> stores? Correct?
> 
WO is java VM dependent.  Yes Apple uses WO for many of their apps, however, 
they are not running the 5.4.3 public version of WO.

> (6) If (5) is true the implication seems to be that Apple is still 
> supporting/developing the framework in some fashion.
>     True the framework is fairly mature now (as is Cocoa with which I am more 
> than a little familiar).
>      But there may be bug fixes and enhancements as time goes by. Any 
> statement by Apple about this?
> 
You should come be WOWODC in Montreal at the end of the month.  Apple has not 
released any new versions of WO since 5.4.3.  However, Project Wonder is very 
actively supported.  You should direct your customer to port their project to 
Project Wonder.


> (7) Oracle now owns Sun hence Java and does not provide the JVM for the MacOS 
> platform.
>     This is left up to Apple and they do not appear to have a long term 
> commitment to Java. viz deprecation of the Java-Obj-C bridge.
>     So is the life of WO threatened over say the next 5-years because of this?
> 
The community is looking at OpenJDK, right now.

> TIA for your wise advice and for being kind enough to point me to places 
> other than 
>       <http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Home>
> 
http://wocommunity.org is where it is at.  Be glad to chat with you directly as 
well.

Paul
> 
> respect....
> 
> Peter
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