The Clojure Enlive library allows you to create code-free static HTML and 
replace the contents from Clojure dynamically by applying functions to CSS-like 
selectors. I think I like that approach best so far.

On 29.09.2011, at 09:28, Simon wrote:

>>> renderContentOn: html
>>> 
>>>  html table: [
>>>   html
>>>    tableRow: [
>>>     html tableData: [html text: 'Table entry']];
>>>    tableRow: [
>>>     html tableData: [html text: 'Table entry']]].
>>> 
>>> Look foreign? Perhaps but it's worth getting your feet wet and kicking 
>>> these ideas around. I've seen many things and this is the first set of 
>>> tools and processes that make me feel good. Like it is equivalent and 
>>> perhaps better than WO. It's brain dead easy to install and there are a 
>>> number of tutorials out there.
>> 
>> OK, I see what you are talking about now.  I am not sure if that is a win 
>> for me.  I have this designer that I often work with and he is able to take 
>> an Eclipse project and edit the .HTML files to make design changes.  He does 
>> not touch the WOD or the Java.  This has been working pretty well for us.  
>> Switching to Seaside would mean that we would have to take the initial 
>> designs, convert them into code, and have the developers maintain them 
>> through the inevitable changes.  I'd have to see how much time the rest of 
>> it would save me.
> 
> totally agree. this is not a plus for us either. our UI people play
> with html (we don't do wod's, 100% inline bindings), and our java
> people play with Java.
> 
> the thought that our java team would have the UI team on their backs
> all day saying "er, can you change that <table>, <tr> and <td> mess
> you're pumping out for a list please (like i told you last time)"
> fills me with fear!
> 
> even if you keep your UI people to tidy up with css, surely they are
> going to be nagging java engineers to get the correct id's and classes
> pegged to the html the java code is pumping out ? it seems this is
> only a benefit if your java people actually look after the whole UI
> piece as well - and i've yet to find a java engineer that has style.
> no offence intended :-)
> 
> Simon
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