Paul,
Sorry you won't be there - we'll miss you!
Ken

On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Paul Yu <[email protected]> wrote:

> Personally, Apple is just starting to hit its stride with xCode and its 
> development environment.
> 
> For a long time, Apple/NeXT had to worry about horizontal portability of its 
> entire stack, thus let the development environment languish.  Back in the 
> day, Project Builder/Interface Builder was way ahead of its time.  VC++ or 
> Borland C++ IDEs were way behind.
> 
> Now Apple is bringing its environments forward.  Really exciting.
> 
> But like you said Ken, availability of integration libraries is a huge value.
> 
> We have to remember, Apple left WO to die because Steve did not believe Apple 
> was  an enterprise software company.  The company's financial results tells 
> the story. It is NOT an enterprise software company.  It is the world's 
> largest music retailer.  It sells mobile phones, etc., etc.  Apple will not 
> devote resources to WO or WO Obj-C if it does not make any material impact on 
> its bottom line, and that is a LARGE number.
> 
> Paul
> 
> btw.  I will not be making the trip this year.  My apologies.  Have a great 
> event.
> 
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Ken Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Paul,
>> 
>> No - there aren't - but you knew that already :)
>> 
>> I work in both Xcode/iOS and Eclipse/WO every day.  I like both, but I have 
>> to say that Apple is just moving more and more towards what Java already had 
>> (properties, not requiring all methods in headers, etc).  There reason to 
>> keep WO in Java is simple - availability of libraries.  Whether it be 
>> adaptors or 40 JSON libraries, it matters.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Paul Yu <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Good reply.
>>> 
>>> Just a little historical background.
>>> 
>>> One of the major reasons to switch to Java was the availability of JDBC 
>>> adaptors.  People were not writing Obj-C database adaptors.  For the 
>>> enterprise, without access to Enterprise Databases, we would be dead in the 
>>> water.  Are there lots of people jumping on the Obj-C database adaptors for 
>>> Core Data on OS X?
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Quinton Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 16/06/2013, at 1:09 AM, Baiss Eric Magnusson <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting discussion,
>>>>> 
>>>>>        <http://kevinlawler.com/objective-c>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like it if WO went back to Objective-C. Eclipse is not happening.
>>>> 
>>>> So you use a different IDE or fix what's broken.  Switching WO back to 
>>>> Obj-C because you don't like eclipse is like a painter becoming a brick 
>>>> layer because he doesn't like the brand of paint brush he has been using.
>>>> 
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