Hello Frank and others,
It’s tough isn’t it? There’s a lot of stuff out there.
I didn’t know about Vaadin but I watched their video and thought… how is this
different than Google Web Toolkit? You spend all of your time in pure java but
the Javascript Ajax stuff is built for you… so you don’t have to really learn
JS and have that context switch in your head. Sounds good, I guess… and Vaadin
is built on top of GWT… but then what is it really doing above and beyond GWT?
I don’t know, I didn’t look at it further.
I can’t help but think that anything based on GWT gives someone an initial bang
for the buck just because if they know Java that’s all they have to worry
about. But at some point you’ll hit a wall and not be able to do something cool
in the browser that you want to do… not without learning JS and extra work. I
also don’t think GWT was truly designed with Mobile in mind. Notice the word
“truly.”
Frank, it’s really up to you. Spend some time to experiment, give yourself two
weeks or so, and make your best guess. This is a religious decision, it always
is.
Personally I’d suggest you communicate over REST with something like ERRest.
Pick a good Javascript library that makes sense to you.
When I look at it all there are two main camps:
1) HTML based page-to-page Javascript frameworks
a) Fast to learn
b) Pretty and looks nice (at first)
c) Unfortunately becomes hard to maintain over time and very brittle
2) Single page app non-HTML Javascript frameworks
a) Large learning curve
b) Pretty and performant
c) Feels like writing a true application, easy to maintain and extend
over time.
“Mojo” was the preliminary example of a JS framework that adhered to #1. Not
many people know about it but it was the way to write apps for the WebOS phones
like the Palm Pre. There are many other frameworks that work in almost the same
way, the most famous is JQuery-Mobile. It has been proven that this is *not*
the way to long term sanity. It is a short term *win* or a cool way to make a
mobile app in a weekend but it will bite you over time. Because of this Palm
completely dropped “Mojo.”
“JO” was the first real example that resonated with me of a JS framework that
adhered to #2. It is so nice to write an “app” in javascript. It generates the
HTML for you, all you have to think about is your business logic. No surprise,
JO was made by a WebOS guy because those guys believed in javascript like no
other. Smart developers took note, and so did Palm. They then went on to create
“Enyo” as the replacement for Mojo. I don’t see any real advantage of it over
JO except that they also created “Ares” as a nice GUI development environment
that runs in the web browser but feels just like Interface Builder. Both Enyo
and Ares are open source and can run on your hardware.
Here’s a video of Ares / Enyo in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkzUDtiC-I
My advice to you, as someone who has played with a bunch of solutions, is to
take Enyo / Ares for a serious spin because they are completely open and very
polished. I really don’t care what is “hot.” If I did, I wouldn’t have chosen
WO. I always look for the best, the truth. Use REST via ERRest to communicate
with your app. Use something like “lawn chair” JS for persistence when Internet
is not available.
Give Benoit’s Mantage framework / IDE some more consideration too. He does have
a WO background after all. The IDE part seems rather closed to me but if that
doesn’t bother you, check it out. He gave a comparison of it to Enyo but it was
very high level… I cannot tell you which is better and for what, I haven’t
really tried Montage.
AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike
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On May 21, 2014, at 5:57 AM, Frank Stock <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I want to build new applications with a RIA framework.
> I did some (very basic) testing with EmberJS and MontagesJS.
> For me MontageJS looks very good, but I don't want to be connected with
> Github, I can't let my projects on open source (all in house applications -
> we build mainly administration like order-processing).
> Working with EmeberJS in Webstorm looked good.
> Can someone give me any advice?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Frank Stock
> Chem-lab nv
> Belgium
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