Yes, It was clearly my issue, as I have not touched this in a while.  In any 
event, by pointing me to the wolips.properties file, I assume you mean that for 
WOLips to know how to create a new wonder project using the template, the 
wonder frameworks need to be installed in the user frameworks directory?  (I 
wanted them in a separate directory so I could update them easily when needed, 
but than perhaps I am doing that wrong as well)

And yes, I am quite aware that I am not alone, and was googling for quite some 
time about the various issues on this before sending my message.

> On Jun 23, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-06-23, 11:36 AM, "Andrew Kinnie" wrote:
> 
> Yes, I was starting to get the impression that Java was the issue, so I 
> re-downloaded the Java 8 jdk (evidently when googling how to install java I 
> ended up with the link that downloaded the jre and not the jdk.  As I said, 
> it has been a while)
> 
> Now I can access the properties and edit them.  Major progress.
> 
> One question though, WHY does "Unsupported minor.major version 51.0" mean 
> that?  Could they not have said something a bit clearer?
> 
> /vent
> 
> That is probably all that the JVM knows.  That is a JVM class loading error, 
> not something from Eclipse or WOLips.  At times like this, Google really is 
> your friend.
> 
> 
> The perpetual need to parse arcane errors like this to recover from something 
> that is pretty minor is one of the most frustrating parts of dealing with 
> stuff to me.
> 
> If you Google it, you will see that you are not alone.  :-)
> 
> 
> Now I just need to figure out how to get the WOLips -> New Wonder Project to 
> see my wonder frameworks.
> 
> Presumably there is another properties file that sets that info.
> 
> ~/Library/Application\ Support/WOLips/wolips.properties
>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Unsupported major.minor version 51.0
>> 
>> Means you need to be running at least Java 1.7.  
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On 2015-06-23, 9:59 AM, "Andrew Kinnie" wrote:
>> 
>> OK, when I do that precisely nothing happens.  The only window is the 
>> welcome view that opens when it starts.  Thus far I have tried to create my 
>> own workspace directory, and have tried using the default 
>> ~/Documents/workspace directory.  All I get is the “welcome” view.
>> 
>> If I try and create a test project using the wonder template I get an 
>> internal error.
>> 
>> Errors occurred during the build.
>> Errors running builder 'Java Builder' on project 'test'.
>> org/objectstyle/woenvironment/plist/ToHellWithProperties : Unsupported 
>> major.minor version 51.0
>> Errors running builder 'WOLips Incremental Builder' on project 'test'.
>> org/objectstyle/woenvironment/plist/ToHellWithProperties : Unsupported 
>> major.minor version 51.0
>> 
>> and 
>> 
>> Internal error: org/objectstyle/woenvironment/frameworks/FrameworkModel :
>> Unsupported major.minor version 51.0
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try Window – Show View – Other – General – Error Log
>>> 
>>> Are there spaces in the path to Eclipse, the workspace, or your project?
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2015-06-23, 8:41 AM, "Andrew Kinnie" wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I tried that too.  Does not seem to change anything.  I don’t know 
>>> where the file is that it is trying to load, but it seems like the file 
>>> with the issue is the one setting up the form itself.  It does not appear 
>>> to load the properties file itself, or even know where it is.
>>> 
>>> Trying to look into how eclipse loads these things seems to be a bit of a 
>>> rabbit hole.
>>> 
>>> When the preferences panel does load, it is empty.  If I do get the chance 
>>> to try and save changes to it I get the message:
>>> 
>>> "An error has occurred. See error log for more details.
>>> org/objectstyle/woenvironment/env/WOEnvironment”
>>> 
>>> I have no idea where this log is that I am supposed to be looking at, but 
>>> nothing in the console seemed obvious.
>>> 
>>> I have reinstalled eclipse and WOLips multiple times, including deleting 
>>> and recreating (by hand) the WOLips directory inside ~/Library/Application 
>>> Support
>>> 
>>> I do not know what to even look at at this point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Ângelo Andrade Cirino <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe the attached file will help you. Edit it to point to your home dir 
>>>> and drop it in "~/Library/Application Support/WOLips/"
>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew Kinnie <mailto:[email protected]>    23 de junho de 2015 11:50
>>>>> OK, so I installed Luna and WebObjects (using the default location) and 
>>>>> (tried) to install WOLips from the below link.  When I restart eclipse to 
>>>>> try and set the wolips properties in preferences, I get an error that the 
>>>>> page contains invalid values:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>> When I go back to it, all the fields are empty and I cannot save changes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will keep looking, but this looks like something in the WOLips 
>>>>> configuration itself to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ângelo Andrade Cirino <mailto:[email protected]> 22 de junho de 2015 
>>>>> 20:37
>>>>> Hi Andrew, I manually installed Luna 4.4.2, WOLips Eclipse plugin from 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips44/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips44/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> and WO from Apple's installer. Then setup the WO and Eclipse properties 
>>>>> without the WO versions as stated in the wiki (the versioning with 
>>>>> Versions/WebObjects543 is completely unnecessary) and then forked the 
>>>>> Wonder repository.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew Kinnie <mailto:[email protected]>    22 de junho de 2015 20:03
>>>>> Greetings all…again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has been about a zillion years (ok, so I rounded up after I hit 3) 
>>>>> since I have done anything with webobjects, and thus I need to install 
>>>>> fresh on my new computer. I saw the install docs on the community list, 
>>>>> but they seem pretty out of date. I tried golipse but it seemed to never 
>>>>> do anything. Then I tried the manual instal, but noticed that the 
>>>>> instructions refer to Eclipse Indigo. Is that the preferred version? I 
>>>>> downloaded it and tried the install directions on my MBP running Yosemite 
>>>>> and created a new Wonder project, but the WOLips tools do not appear, and 
>>>>> the project seems to not see the newly installed wonder frameworks. Is 
>>>>> there a better place I should be looking these days? Should I be using a 
>>>>> more recent version of eclipse?
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation 
>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is conceivable that I simply did something wrong. (Hard to imagine…)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
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