> On 12.05.2016, at 16:51, Paul Yu <p...@mac.com> wrote: > > Hugi > > The state of WO and the WO community is not because of your persistence to > get a definitive statement from Apple. It is because there are no BIG > organizations that support this community. > > This community is stuck in purgatory. We can’t move forward because we may > infringe on Apple’s copyrights. We can’t move forward because there are > people here using old versions of the system and don’t want to move forward. > We can’t move forward because we can’t dedicate enough time to working on the > lower levels. We have too many people here that just want to say no. > > No BIG organization want to use this stuff because it is NOT OPEN SOURCE, it > is NOT COOl, it is NOT an active product, it does NOT have an active DEV > community, but it is a legal LIABILITY. Without a BIG organization > supporting it, there is no money. > > No startup unicorn will use the framework, because no VC would support it. > > My $0.02 > > Paul >
Amen to that. So what is needed? First and formost something open source that does not infringe on Apple's intellectual property. I have been very busy with some rather big WO projects in the last couple months and haven't had the time to follow your work in that area. I was hoping to meet you (Paul) and the other TB folks at WOWODC just because I wanted to learn where things are and what might (or might not) be a possible future. We don't need Wonder on top of WebObjects, we need a unified open source sort of "clone". Thus as interesting as Cayenne sounds, there is still WebObjects underneath. Yes, I am coming to WOWODC and even bring a colleague along (hey, my company rucotec GmbH from Switzerland already brings ~7% of all the attendants this year). We are really looking forward to some of the talks (Cayenne, too!). Just hope this won't become a funeral party. And yes, I am one of those who work on large WO projects. This is not just maintenance but active development of new features. These are intranet applications used strategically in a worldwide operating chemical company. My customer don't care whether this is "deprecated" stuff, but they DO appreciate when I can deliver things within days for 1 tenth of their inhouse cost instead of having to wait for an integrated SAP solution sometime next year. Just my 2 cents ---markus--- >> On May 12, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: >> >> I feel rather bad and somewhat responsible for everything that’s going on >> these days. I had no idea that a phonecall from Apple would result in this. >> >> I'm still using WO actively in numerous old and new projects, and I don’t >> see that changing anytime soon. Being an opensource nut I’ve made numerous >> attempts at “escaping” WO, but that sweet, sweet statefulness, lovely API, >> KVC and WOLips just keeps dragging me back in. >> >> We need to find a way forward. >> >> - hugi >> >> >> >>> On 12. maí 2016, at 14:14, Michael Kondratov <mich...@aspireauctions.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Pascal, >>> There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I have >>> not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It was >>> pretty clear to me that Apple discontinued WO good 15 years ago. Is it >>> really possible that only 50 people or so in the world that still use >>> WebObjects? Is there something that is better? (Or 99.999999..% use >>> inferior tools?) >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 12, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until >>>> WOWODC, so let's do that. >>>> >>>> Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything: >>>> >>>> - The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use >>>> WO for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the rest is >>>> moving away or already done so. >>>> >>>> - Based on this, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated >>>> that we needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. >>>> Sadly, we are only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get >>>> 4-5 registrations. Hence the 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$). >>>> >>>> - Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year. >>>> >>>> - I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would >>>> be a great way to modernize WO, and hence generate interest, and looks >>>> like I was wrong, or else we would have more people at WOWODC, not less. >>>> >>>> - At WOWODC 2014, we asked if people were using the master branch of >>>> Wonder, and the vast majority said they are using their own fork. So why >>>> should we keep Jenkins if most of you use their own forks? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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