I didn't play. Just reading. Regarding Kitura, IBM ceased to contribute last year - https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/01/ibm-stop-work-swift-server/
Maybe someone else has a better and practical feedback to share on swift server side. Have a good we Philippe ———————————— Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Feb 2020, at 19:19, Tim W <li...@thetimmy.com> wrote: > > Thanks for all these thoughts Philippe! Have you investigated any of the > swift-based web frameworks like Kitura or Vapor? I may poke around with them > a bit - but I need to learn swift first. > > I do like the availability of java libraries and jdbc connectivity. > > Tim > >> On Feb 19, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Philippe Rabier via Webobjects-dev >> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >> >> We considered using Typescript but we faced weird behaviors so we gave up. >> Too much stuff to learn at the same time. And it should help developing your >> code but it doesn't help when you work with external libraries. >> And I remember Benoit Marchant (MontageJS) saying: "if you want to embrace >> the web, you have to learn JavaScript". >> >> I forgot to mention we use also Vue on the front side which is really good. >> Much simpler to learn than React or Angular.io. >> >> To be honest, I won't use node for my next adventures. I would consider Go, >> Swift or maybe Kotlin/Java. Or Python if I'm using Google Cloud Functions >> because the code is small so the dynamic language is not a pain (but I never >> try yet so I dunno). But GCF is very appealing. >> >> Philippe >> ———————————— >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> On 19 Feb 2020, at 23:44, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev >>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>> >>> Typescript tries to give you a more Java feel to JavaScript - maybe you >>> could try that? You can use it via npm and cli or in an ide >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2020, at 20:12, Philippe Rabier via Webobjects-dev >>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> I worked as CTO in a company where Node has been chosen and I didn't want >>>> to trouble the team and continue w/ the same technology. >>>> >>>> So I decided to jump in the train and learned JavaScript, node etc. >>>> It's not an easy language if you want to get benefit of the dynamic part >>>> of the language. >>>> >>>> What I disliked a lot is the fact it's very complicated to refactor the >>>> code because as you know it's not a typed language so you discover the bug >>>> while code execution. As a result the app must be fully tested. It's >>>> really not an option. I used Webstorm which is a great IDE but can do very >>>> little when you refactor the code or when you need to include modules >>>> (like the import in java). >>>> >>>> Moreover, the eco-system is poor quality compare to java libraries. Often >>>> libraries are not maintained. I remember my team using ftp client which >>>> worked great but then the provider changes to ftp over ssl and the library >>>> didn't support it so we have to choose another one which was not well >>>> designed. >>>> >>>> If you follow this path, I recommend using Koa rather than express.js >>>> which is the most used library w/ node but Koa is really well designed and >>>> more recent. (Koa is like ERRest ;-)). We used also MongoDB v4 which is >>>> better than I thought (and much better than it was in the past). We used >>>> Mongoose which is like an ORM but as it's a document database it's a bit >>>> different. Moreover Mongoose "encapsulates" pure JavaScript objets (like >>>> EO compare to pojo) so we had from time to time to copy the mongoose >>>> object into pure JavaScript object to use other libraries like lodash (a >>>> must have library). >>>> >>>> So I have a mixed feeling about this environnement. But as a friend said: >>>> with Java compiler even a young developer (or bad one) creates a code that >>>> runs. Not the case with javascript where code can be ugly very easily. >>>> >>>> Philippe >>>> ———————————— >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 20:40, Tim W via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for this Lon. >>>>> >>>>> As I begin contemplating a move from WO -> Cayenne, I’m really >>>>> appreciating hearing what folks are using from a front-end perspective. >>>>> Wicket looks like a pretty interesting one and from a familiarity >>>>> perspective may be the best I’ve seen coming from a WO background. >>>>> >>>>> Since I haven’t made the leap I don’t know how folks are binding various >>>>> front-end technologies, like angular etc., to a ORM backend. I’m assuming >>>>> by moving toward web api’s. >>>>> >>>>> From a non-familiarity perspective (and focused more on broadening >>>>> skillsets), I’m thinking of looking at Node.js to leverage ORM experience >>>>> but also branch more into front-ends the way the kids are doing it. I >>>>> don’t expect many from the WO army have gone that direction but curious >>>>> to hear of any experiences. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> UCLA GSE&IS >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Lon Varscsak via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We've settled on Apache Wicket (apps are being re-written from WO) with >>>>>> Apache Cayenne (EOF-like but more modern). I love both, I would be sad >>>>>> if I had to use a different toolset. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:14 AM Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And about wo components framework ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are you using with Bootique ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jérémy >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 13 févr. 2020 à 23:08, Matthew Ness via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Bootique. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We've had various types of Bootique apps in production for years now >>>>>>>> to great success, some with the Cayenne module directly derived from >>>>>>>> older WO apps/dbs, some communicating with existing WO apps, others >>>>>>>> simply processing tasks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> http://logicsquad.net >>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> My opinionated take is the following: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort >>>>>>>>> under https://jakarta.ee/ . The "appserver" concept has almost >>>>>>>>> disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market >>>>>>>>> leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some >>>>>>>>> still cling to .war deployment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are >>>>>>>>> looking to build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are >>>>>>>>> not constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better >>>>>>>>> platform in the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is >>>>>>>>> "commercially-viable" in a sense that there are hundreds of apps that >>>>>>>>> run in prod for a number of years. But it is still an open source >>>>>>>>> effort supported by community and a mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), >>>>>>>>> so it is sometimes an uphill battle in organizations that are looking >>>>>>>>> to conform to the lowest common denominator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So you decide :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like >>>>>>>>>> JBoss, Tomcat, Websphere etc.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure >>>>>>>>>> which architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger >>>>>>>>>> projects in a team... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik <and...@objectstyle.org> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It >>>>>>>>>>> gives you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way >>>>>>>>>>> to assemble various components together (and also modularity, >>>>>>>>>>> dependency injection, consistent configuration and a large >>>>>>>>>>> collection of ready-to-use modules). The app can serve web >>>>>>>>>>> requests, run jobs or do whatever. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, >>>>>>>>>>> and doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are >>>>>>>>>>> automatically equipped with POSIX CLI. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration >>>>>>>>>>>>> other than WO what would you choose and why? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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