I know EXACTLY what you mean... > On Nov 1, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: > > A wiki is a lovely idea, but what I saw happen with the previous wiki was > that everyone was "too nice" to just re-edit things, throw out outdated info > and correct errors. So if you want to know how something works, you now > basically have to read through 15 meters of non-documentation and polite > conversation about how things might or might not work. > > So… Sure. We could have a wiki. But I don't think a wiki can serve as the > primary source of truth—unless we appoint a merciless editor. > > Anyway, as for the future—we're making a web framework, shouldn't we be using > our own medicine? :p > > > >> On 1 Nov 2020, at 19:57, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com >> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com>> wrote: >> >> I think “wiki" itself works well for this, real-time chat and pages where we >> can use images and formatting and various linking and keep it simple. A >> little less ‘moderated’ and a bit more a shared scratch area people can post >> whatever they think is useful. >> >> I also agree the old stuff is more outdated or misinformation and really we >> should just start again. >> >> Where can we put this sort of thing? A free wiki service or install one on a >> server? I guess I could set something up-- >> >> >>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is >>> <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote: >>> >>> I kind of hate Slack as well. But unfortunately it currently seems like the >>> nicest place for real time chat. >>> >>> I agree about the worries of divergence. We need to re-establish >>> WOCommunity. >>> >>> As for the old wiki pages, I think they should just be plain abandoned and >>> buried. There's more misinformation there than information. If we make a >>> replacement I think it should be more of a blog-style, linking to articles >>> that people can maintain themselves, like your Docker/WO work that I would >>> love to hear more about :). >>> >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 18:09, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com >>>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I hate slack but we could use a channel like that, I worry about any form >>>> of divergence because we’re already few and far between >>>> >>>> I have had great luck with Docker and WO and have a few modern frameworks >>>> that help keep our apps nicely modern and I’m actually really happy with >>>> the results so I still love WO and haven’t found anything I could wield >>>> that kind of power. >>>> >>>> I should put the Docker stuff into a WIKI page, but I’m also wondering >>>> about the ‘old’ wiki and who’s maintaining any of that or if we should >>>> largely start again or something. >>>> >>>> Ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Slack channel is in no way or form meant to be a secret. It's >>>>> something I started for fun a during a WOWODC session and the more people >>>>> that join the better! >>>>> >>>>> I thought it was "common knowledge" by now but I can absolutely >>>>> understand how the channel can be perceived as "secret", since it's not >>>>> mentioned anywhere. Totally my bad and I'll work to fix it. It's a >>>>> problem that goes deeper than just that particular channel. >>>>> >>>>> - hugi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Nov 2020, at 17:49, Marc Günther via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry to bother everyone, but I can find absolutely no information about >>>>>> this anywhere. I wouldn't even know whom to ask. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently there is a WOCommunity Slack channel since quite a while now: >>>>>> - https://wocommunity.slack.com <https://wocommunity.slack.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be very interested to join, but I cannot find a sign up link >>>>>> anywhere, or a contact person, or any mention of it on the wiki. Is >>>>>> there a particular reason that this channel is kept so secret? Only for >>>>>> the elite clique of WOnder contributers and not for the common >>>>>> WebObjects developer? >>>>>> >>>>>> I was recently interested in Elm, and I could just join their Slack and >>>>>> say Hi, and ask questions. It felt very welcoming for new users. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I know there won't be any new users for WO, but it would still be >>>>>> nice if there wouldn't be this air of mystery about the whole thing. I >>>>>> mean with the Wiki being out of date for like 5 years, WOInstaller >>>>>> broken, etc. I recently had to setup WebObjects for development and for >>>>>> deployment on some new machines (MacOS Catalina), and documented the >>>>>> entire process, so I thought, I could update the information on the >>>>>> wiki, but I don't have an account there either, and likewise, no idea on >>>>>> who to ask about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from Sweden, >>>>>> Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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