On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > > But *could* is not enough: We need a working website *now* (to be honest, we > would have needed in already two weeks ago). > > What has not been communicated in the past is: The demo will be (at least I > think so) the basis for the new website where the different teams should work > on during the next days. There will be no time to set up a different system > for the official website - so it needs to work.
This seems obvious, but unfortunately was not ever suggested before. I understand the urgency, but I do not think successful projects emerge from a requirement of "get it done now." > People with very little experience in website construction will have to be > able to create websites for their own LibreOffice/TDF area on the website. > > Especially the native-language teams, but also marketing and user support are > waiting too long already. > > We're losing momentum - contributors - users if we keep on discussing the > best solution. I think we run this risk, but on the other hand, additional people keep joining the mailing list and volunteering, so we may not have to worry about it yet. > Christian's preconditions on the wiki > (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms#Requirements) > have been a *minimum* condition to start working for the different teams. > > I don't know how far the Drupal demo allows a less experienced editor to do > the task mentioned there - reading Christian's comments, many of them have > still not been activated in the demo. > > What I miss in the wiki is a check mark showing which demo allows which task > to be done already. > > This is much more a basis for the start than the possible features that could > be integrated later on. > > I'd really like to focus on the latter, but we don't have the time to wait > any longer. > > If we had all the *basic* features included in the demo I'm quite sure that > the possibilities contained in the Drupal modules would allow us to use our > website for many very interesting and highly positive things and that Drupal > would be favorite over Silverstripe if it is as editor-friendly as > Silverstripe (in the demo version). > > But we need to start now, so these thoughts should be proposed later. > > We can't turn back the time, so there is no chance to discuss the topic even > more thoroughly and create a detailed system allowing us to do even things we > don't imagine now right from the start. > > The only question is: > > Which *already built demo system* is able to allow the teams to start now: > > Is it easy enough to create and modify websites, link them to each other and > to external pages? > > Is there a consistent navigation area automatically added to any newly > created page? > > Does version control work? > > Are there different levels of roles established for editors and people > approving modifications? > > Does the system can distinguish between different user roles (visitor, > contributor, content developer ...) and show different content depending on > their roles? > > Can Sub-groups work on their own area being informed if their content is > modified? > > Please look at the wiki page for additional requirements, but in my eyes > these are the ones fundamental for starting to work for the teams. > > If the Drupal demo allows all this *now*, I'd ask Christian to have one more > look at the demo. Yes, I believe Drupal offers everything listed above and on the wiki page. A few days ago, I added some requirements on the wiki page referring to ad hoc group creation, things which I do not believe SilverStripe can support, based on its demo and my research. > I really like Drupal to become our CMS, but the version we need now has to > work! > > Perhaps this points to the urgency of this task - I can't do more... Finally, I think the list of precedents deserves more weight than it has been given. I listed "peer sites" (other large, global open source projects) that use Drupal vs SilverStripe, because their experience can speed up our research--if the tool worked for them, then it almost certainly will work for us. In fact, I think this is more effective than building quick demo sites, because they have withstood the test of time under the load of large communities working on them in real-world conditions. In this list you will notice many Drupal sites, but I did not find any SilverStripe sites. SilverStripe's own documentation pages are provided by a different platform than SilverStripe, in fact! (They use DokuWiki.) Thanks to everyone who put thought and time into this discussion. -Ben Benjamin Horst [email protected] 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- E-mail to [email protected] for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
